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TOPIC: Why Has Islam Become the Darling of the Left?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 24 2009 10:31 pm
From: "Grand Mal"
"Just Me" <jpdm45@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can it be so simple as this; that if they see a conservative or
> libertarian holding something in contempt (like communism) the left-
> knee jerk reaction is to
> conclude that since nothing on the right can be right, there must be
> something holy and left-like in what is being detested from the right?
No one detests liberals more than a rock-solid Islamic fundamentalist.
In fact, liberalism is the biggest enemy of orthodoxy and fundamentalism of
any stripe.
>
> Or beside just that, which must be a part of it, can it also be all
> balled up with left-wing multiculturalist ideology? Of course, because
> as multiculturalism is taught it is received by the propaganda
> susceptible left-leaning mind with all the honor due to Great Learning
> and Knowledge. And as one learns it, a strong conceit is taken to
> heart and mind over it, giving the student an elitist sense of being
> in the know concerning a code of esoteric thinkiing that is not given
> to the mass of the great unwashed, whose minds are presumed to be
> grimy with the filth of every manner of ill or uneducated prejudice.
>
> Little would such a student know that he has just traded one prejudice
> for another! And now as he looks out into the world to see people on
> the right holding all of Islam in none but the most complete contempt,
> he can only arrive at the conclusion that ethnocentrism and prejudice,
> not knowledge must stand as the basis for such condemnation.
>
> But this results in none but the most absurd of all paradoxes. It is
> not that the Leftist has studied the Qur'an and gone in whole hog for
> the doctrines, laws and teachings of Islam, not at all! For had they
> done any such study they'd be in for one hell of a bad case of
> doctrinal confusion over this for which they lend such passionate
> liberal support. Rather, they do not engage such study because for the
> most part that Leftist is an agnostic, if not a full bore atheist, who
> for his own use rejects all religion as a lot of primitive
> superstition unworthy of study, on top of which he or she is often
> like to be a complete sexual libertine who wants nothing to do with
> the morality being taught by any religion.
>
> So it is not what Islam IS that gains the sympathy of the Left, it is
> to the contrary what Islam is NOT: Islam is NOT loved by the non-
> Islamic Religious and Libertarian Right. Therefore it is to be pitied
> and hugged, like a tree or an endangered bug. And though this
> mistreatment from the Right would be enough for those on the Left to
> shower their sympathy upon the people of a religion they know nothing
> about, or least of all care for in its beliefs and moral tenets, there
> is somewhat more to it!
>
> The multiculturalist morality which demands of the Liberal that he or
> she should never stand in judgment of a culture not their own, CLEARLY
> does not extend to the culture that IS their own. The multculturalist
> left sees NO reason to extend a policy of nonjudgmentalism to
> Christianity and Judaism. That would be like incest and nepotism,
> viewed from the perspective of the multiculturalist agenda. Only
> cultures not their own get the blank check, the Get Out of Jail Free
> card. In other words, so long as it is not something or someone from
> their very own Occidental culture, it must stand above judgment and
> criticism. And how do they manage that in view of such atrocities as
> this . . .
>
> http://www.eruditiononline.com/01.04/zahida_story.htm
>
> They will look at the disfigurement of that girl's face and say, "This
> is the work of *fundamentalist* Islam, and it is not the practice of
> moderate Muslims anywhere." As the facts come before their faces to
> make a stinking mush of their multiculturalist soup what do they do?
> They deny that what they see has anything to do with Islam properly so-
> called. Hence, this is not the work of Muslims. It is much more like
> the work of the Judeo-Christian Right, or so they would have it, by
> applying the "fundamentalist" label to the horror before their eyes.
>
> But what they don't look at is the fact that there are no such
> abominations in the news as practiced by the fundamentalist Jewish and
> Christian Right. Mostly all these killings and mutilations come into
> the news from the culture of Islam. There is for this reason something
> seriously wrong with the Liberal attempt to remove these unspeakable
> cruelties from the picture of Islam that is painted by them. It is
> there for all to see, and no sleight of hand characterization of
> "fundamentalist" can crop or edit it out.
>
> If there were indeed such a thing as "moderation" in Islam, even to
> the least degree such that it had a power to affect the religion as a
> whole, we would not be seeing these pictures . . .
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yf3a5d9
>
> No, we would not be hearing those reports. In order to find such
> atrocities being practiced with any such-like currency in the Judeo-
> Christian world you'd have to go back to the witch burnings of Salem
> and the Spanish Inquisition. Thankfully, somehow, such a thing as
> 'moderation' did at long last come into being in the realm of
> Christendom, and it would seem to have taken the better part of these
> three hundred years since Salem to have shown itself for "moderation"
> in the truest sense of the word; a moderation of the sort that is
> effective to moderate, to loosen the strictures of the religion to the
> extent that such outrages against humanity cease to be the production
> of that religion.
>
> As yet, there is no such moderation to be seen in Islam. As yet it is
> firmly under thumb of the forces which demand such practices from the
> faithful. The forces of moderation are not there to stop it, to take
> the blight of it away from the face of the religion as a whole. It is
> for this reason it must wear the veil. There is much to be hidden and
> kept from sight.
>
> And how did such moderation actually come into force with
> Christendom? It came from without the religion. It came from the
> Enlightenment of the 18th Century, whose torch bearers for Reason took
> up the texts of the religion to read it critically and declare, This
> is NOT the religion that its founder taught! And no words could have
> been truer than those.
>
> Unfortunately, for Islam the same can NEVER be said.
> --
> JM http://whosenose.blogspot.com
> http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 25 2009 12:41 am
From: Just Me
On Oct 25, 12:31 am, "Grand Mal" <ironw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Just Me" <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:94776bf7-f973-47fc-8035-fe09735b467c@l33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Can it be so simple as this; that if they see a conservative or
> > libertarian holding something in contempt (like communism) the left-
> > knee jerk reaction is to
> > conclude that since nothing on the right can be right, there must be
> > something holy and left-like in what is being detested from the right?
>
> No one detests liberals more than a rock-solid Islamic fundamentalist.
> In fact, liberalism is the biggest enemy of orthodoxy and fundamentalism of
> any stripe.
Heh-heh. Read on to discover how by saying THAT you could not have
more thoroughly steppied right into the trap.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Or beside just that, which must be a part of it, can it also be all
> > balled up with left-wing multiculturalist ideology? Of course, because
> > as multiculturalism is taught it is received by the propaganda
> > susceptible left-leaning mind with all the honor due to Great Learning
> > and Knowledge. And as one learns it, a strong conceit is taken to
> > heart and mind over it, giving the student an elitist sense of being
> > in the know concerning a code of esoteric thinkiing that is not given
> > to the mass of the great unwashed, whose minds are presumed to be
> > grimy with the filth of every manner of ill or uneducated prejudice.
>
> > Little would such a student know that he has just traded one prejudice
> > for another! And now as he looks out into the world to see people on
> > the right holding all of Islam in none but the most complete contempt,
> > he can only arrive at the conclusion that ethnocentrism and prejudice,
> > not knowledge must stand as the basis for such condemnation.
>
> > But this results in none but the most absurd of all paradoxes. It is
> > not that the Leftist has studied the Qur'an and gone in whole hog for
> > the doctrines, laws and teachings of Islam, not at all! For had they
> > done any such study they'd be in for one hell of a bad case of
> > doctrinal confusion over this for which they lend such passionate
> > liberal support. Rather, they do not engage such study because for the
> > most part that Leftist is an agnostic, if not a full bore atheist, who
> > for his own use rejects all religion as a lot of primitive
> > superstition unworthy of study, on top of which he or she is often
> > like to be a complete sexual libertine who wants nothing to do with
> > the morality being taught by any religion.
>
> > So it is not what Islam IS that gains the sympathy of the Left, it is
> > to the contrary what Islam is NOT: Islam is NOT loved by the non-
> > Islamic Religious and Libertarian Right. Therefore it is to be pitied
> > and hugged, like a tree or an endangered bug. And though this
> > mistreatment from the Right would be enough for those on the Left to
> > shower their sympathy upon the people of a religion they know nothing
> > about, or least of all care for in its beliefs and moral tenets, there
> > is somewhat more to it!
>
> > The multiculturalist morality which demands of the Liberal that he or
> > she should never stand in judgment of a culture not their own, CLEARLY
> > does not extend to the culture that IS their own. The multculturalist
> > left sees NO reason to extend a policy of nonjudgmentalism to
> > Christianity and Judaism. That would be like incest and nepotism,
> > viewed from the perspective of the multiculturalist agenda. Only
> > cultures not their own get the blank check, the Get Out of Jail Free
> > card. In other words, so long as it is not something or someone from
> > their very own Occidental culture, it must stand above judgment and
> > criticism. And how do they manage that in view of such atrocities as
> > this . . .
>
> >http://www.eruditiononline.com/01.04/zahida_story.htm
>
> > They will look at the disfigurement of that girl's face and say, "This
> > is the work of *fundamentalist* Islam, and it is not the practice of
> > moderate Muslims anywhere." As the facts come before their faces to
> > make a stinking mush of their multiculturalist soup what do they do?
> > They deny that what they see has anything to do with Islam properly so-
> > called. Hence, this is not the work of Muslims. It is much more like
> > the work of the Judeo-Christian Right, or so they would have it, by
> > applying the "fundamentalist" label to the horror before their eyes.
>
> > But what they don't look at is the fact that there are no such
> > abominations in the news as practiced by the fundamentalist Jewish and
> > Christian Right. Mostly all these killings and mutilations come into
> > the news from the culture of Islam. There is for this reason something
> > seriously wrong with the Liberal attempt to remove these unspeakable
> > cruelties from the picture of Islam that is painted by them. It is
> > there for all to see, and no sleight of hand characterization of
> > "fundamentalist" can crop or edit it out.
>
> > If there were indeed such a thing as "moderation" in Islam, even to
> > the least degree such that it had a power to affect the religion as a
> > whole, we would not be seeing these pictures . . .
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/yf3a5d9
>
> > No, we would not be hearing those reports. In order to find such
> > atrocities being practiced with any such-like currency in the Judeo-
> > Christian world you'd have to go back to the witch burnings of Salem
> > and the Spanish Inquisition. Thankfully, somehow, such a thing as
> > 'moderation' did at long last come into being in the realm of
> > Christendom, and it would seem to have taken the better part of these
> > three hundred years since Salem to have shown itself for "moderation"
> > in the truest sense of the word; a moderation of the sort that is
> > effective to moderate, to loosen the strictures of the religion to the
> > extent that such outrages against humanity cease to be the production
> > of that religion.
>
> > As yet, there is no such moderation to be seen in Islam. As yet it is
> > firmly under thumb of the forces which demand such practices from the
> > faithful. The forces of moderation are not there to stop it, to take
> > the blight of it away from the face of the religion as a whole. It is
> > for this reason it must wear the veil. There is much to be hidden and
> > kept from sight.
>
> > And how did such moderation actually come into force with
> > Christendom? It came from without the religion. It came from the
> > Enlightenment of the 18th Century, whose torch bearers for Reason took
> > up the texts of the religion to read it critically and declare, This
> > is NOT the religion that its founder taught! And no words could have
> > been truer than those.
>
> > Unfortunately, for Islam the same can NEVER be said.
> > --
> > JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.com
> >http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 25 2009 6:17 am
From: last_permutation@yahoo.com
On Oct 24, 7:38 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
<Snip>
Libs have abandoned their old pals the Jews to some extent (some
still hold on and always try to defend everything Jewish) because
of the stellar rise of ZioNaziism and glaring support by most Jews
of ZioNazi Israel's genocide against their non-hebrew neighbors.
Kevin MacDonald was once a dyed-in-the-wool, card-carrying
'60s liberal who schmoozed with the Jews, visited Israel, the
whole bit. Being a man of conviction, he began to see the
scum for what they are. Now the ZioNazis have him on par
with their other whipping boy, David Duke, for having the
temerity to actually speak the truth about the ZioNazi.
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TOPIC: Mandelbrot on efficient markets
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 25 2009 8:16 pm
From: Arindam Banerjee
On Oct 25, 8:46 am, spudnik <Space...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> the bulls make money, the bears make money, and
> the hogs always get slaughtered; that is,
> market "up" or "down" makes no difference
> to the physical economy, if they are raking it all of
> in the "voluntary CO2 emmisions-trading scheme;"
> does it?
Racial, cultural, national, institutional, personal, career factors
count rather more than some moneys gained or lost in the share/
property markets. Moneys come and go, but prejudices linger.
> > start good business, but now in our Einsteinian world all
> > of these high-minded ideals (if they ever existed) have
> > long gone down the drainpipes. Will anyone
> > fund a Hydrogen Transmission Network, or the
> > development of the Internal Force Engine?
>
> thus:
> that is the penintimate waffle.
I don't know if this is a put-down, but to stick to my earlier point,
only the truly scientific methods/approaches can conquer prejudice,
over the long term.
Arindam Banerjee
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