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TOPIC: BLOODY HAM
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Date: Mon, Oct 26 2009 10:31 pm
From: beekay <12rychemond@gmail.com>
Hazel Whitby gives the low down on murder on the film set!
http://belindalawrence.webs.com/bloodyham.htm
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TOPIC: Texas Death Penalty was Bookstores Around etc
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 21 2009 8:18 pm
From: "Stanley Moore"
"Francis A. Miniter" <faminiter@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hboh9m$9oq$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> Stanley Moore wrote:
>> "Francis A. Miniter" <faminiter@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:hbodmm$i6e$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Stanley Moore wrote:
>>>> "Beowulf Bolt" <abd.al-hazred@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ADF6EE5.39AE@shaw.ca...
>>>>> Stanley Moore wrote:
>>>>>> There was some recent case in Texas where an illegal alien (or maybe
>>>>>> legal resident) was not informed that he could apply to his consulate
>>>>>> for help. I do not recall the details but a treaty issue entered into
>>>>>> it. I think it was a death penalty case. Take care
>>>>> If you consider a decade ago 'recent' you probably are referring to
>>>>> Joseph Stanley Faulder. Unfortunately for him, the Canadian appeals
>>>>> for
>>>>> his sentence to be commuted to life imprisonment because of the
>>>>> alien's
>>>>> right issue went to Dubya, and were received with Dubya's usual
>>>>> response
>>>>> (ie "no").
>>>>>
>>>>> See
>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/08/us/aliens-rights-are-issue-in-texas-death-row-case.html
>>>>> for a brief discussion of his case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Biff
>>>>>
>>>> At my age a decade see,s recent history <G>. However a decade ago
>>>> "Dubya" as you call him was governor of Texas not President. Clinton
>>>> was President and could have commuted the sentence had he wished to. In
>>>> any case based on the facts of the case the death penalty was fully
>>>> justified. But I was referring to something more recent that involved
>>>> as I recall a Mexican national rather than a Canadian. Take care
>>>
>>> Hi Stanley,
>>>
>>> I think Biff did mean Bush and in his capacity as Governor. In a state
>>> death penalty case, the power of commuting the sentence lies with the
>>> Governor. The President of the United States has no power there.
>>> Notice that in the Medellin case, Bush was trying to intervene on the
>>> side of the condemned man, an act for which I give him credit (though
>>> his reasons had far more to do with relations with Mexico than
>>> recognition of justice), and he failed to accomplish anything at the
>>> Supreme Court.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Francis A. Miniter
>>
>> I thought the power of Presidential pardon was unlimited and the
>> President COULD override the governor though it would probably not be
>> wise to do so. Take care
>
>
> No. The Pardon Power goes only to federal crimes. Article II, Section 2
> of the United States Constitution states that the President "shall have
> power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United
> States, except in cases of impeachment." It is the "against the United
> States" that is the limitation. The pardon power, as you noted, includes
> the power to commute sentences as well.
>
> --
> Francis A. Miniter
>
Bush did that for Scooter Libby who got mixed up as a sideline to the
Valerie Plame CIA case. His supporters wanted a full pardon but Bush left
the felony conviction in place and only commuted the prison sentence. This
to me shows great respect for the judicial process and the integrity of the
courts. To me this was justice for this particular defendent.
The pardon process has lits of scope for abuse. In Texas Governers Ma and Pa
Ferguson were known for pardoning every Tom, Dick and Harry. Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 27 2009 11:41 am
From: "Stanley Moore"
"Beowulf Bolt" <abd.al-hazred@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:4AE0772D.1608@shaw.ca...
> Francis A. Miniter wrote:
>>
>> Stanley Moore wrote:
>> > "Beowulf Bolt" <abd.al-hazred@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:4ADF6EE5.39AE@shaw.ca...
>> >> Stanley Moore wrote:
>> >>> There was some recent case in Texas where an illegal alien (or
>> >>> maybe legal resident) was not informed that he could apply to his
>> >>> consulate for help. I do not recall the details but a treaty issue
>> >>> entered into it. I think it was a death penalty case. Take care
>> >>
>> >> If you consider a decade ago 'recent' you probably are referring
>> >> to Joseph Stanley Faulder. Unfortunately for him, the Canadian
>> >> appeals for his sentence to be commuted to life imprisonment
>> >> because of the alien's right issue went to Dubya, and were received
>> >> with Dubya's usual response (ie "no").
>> >>
>> >> See
>> >> http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/08/us/aliens-rights-are-issue-in-texas-death-row-case.html
>> >> for a brief discussion of his case.
>> >>
>> >
>> > At my age a decade see,s recent history <G>. However a decade ago
>> > "Dubya" as you call him was governor of Texas not President. Clinton
>> > was President and could have commuted the sentence had he wished to.
>> > In any case based on the facts of the case the death penalty was
>> > fully justified. But I was referring to something more recent that
>> > involved as I recall a Mexican national rather than a Canadian. Take
>> > care
>>
>> I think Biff did mean Bush and in his capacity as Governor.
>
> Indered I did. The guy who never failed to rubber stamp the execution
> orders placed before him, feeling that if the courts had convicted him
> (regardless how incompetent the defense attorney, how retarded the
> culprit, or what evidence came to light thereafter), that was good
> enough for him.
I beleive that in Texas the governor does not have great pardon power
anymore. I believe the Board of Pardons and Paroles makes the
recommendations for clemency and the gov is more or less bound by these.
> Regarding the Faulder case, perhaps the death penalty was indeed
> "fully justified". Then again, those laws demanding consular
> notification so the home country can provide legal counsel are there for
> a reason. Particularly given the strong correllation between
> incompetent defense lawyers and ones presence on death row. If Faulder
> had competent defense, would he have faced execution? Probably not.
Plenty of defendants in capital cases get the death penalty here in Texas
even with good representation. Texas juries tend to be pretty hard on
murderers. True there have been abuses especially with regard to forensic
evidence in Harris County with prosecutors getting the evidence they expect
from the crime labs but this hopefully has been cleaned up recently.. And it
is true that court assigned lawyers are not always the best but even they
must meeet certain requirements to defend capital cases.. But the fact
remains that Texans are not lenient with murderers. Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 27 2009 11:45 am
From: "Stanley Moore"
"W. Citoan" <wcitoan@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:slrnhe4cj5.524.wcitoan@wcitoan-via.eternal-september.org...
> Mike Van Pelt wrote:
>> In article <hbodmm$i6e$1@news.eternal-september.org>, Francis A.
>> Miniter <faminiter@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >I think Biff did mean Bush and in his capacity as Governor. In a
>> >state death penalty case, the power of commuting the sentence lies
>> >with the Governor.
>>
>> Not in Texas.
>
> Yes, even in Texas.
>
>> "Under Texas law, the Governor is not permitted to grant pardon or
>> parole, or to commute a death penalty sentence to life imprisonment,
>> on his own initiative (the law was changed after former Governor
>> James Ferguson was charged with selling pardons for political
>> contributions). Instead, the Board of Pardons and Paroles will
>> recommend to the Governor whether or not to grant such. If the Board
>> recommends such, the Governor is free to reject the recommendation,
>> but if the Board chooses not to recommend such, in the case of a
>> death penalty sentence the Governor can only grant a one-time, 30-day
>> reprieve."
>>
>> (Yeah, yeah, insert "what does Wikipedia know" boilerplate.)
>
> That still states that the power lies with the Governor. He cannot do
> it without the recommendation of the board, but the board only gives a
> recommendation. It cannot actually pardon anyone.
>
But he cannot willy-nilly grant pardons or commutations over the
recommendations of the Board so his power is limited.. Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 27 2009 1:44 pm
From: "W. Citoan"
Stanley Moore wrote:
>
> "W. Citoan" <wcitoan@NOSPAM-yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnhe4cj5.524.wcitoan@wcitoan-via.eternal-september.org...
> > Mike Van Pelt wrote:
> >> In article <hbodmm$i6e$1@news.eternal-september.org>, Francis A.
> >> Miniter <faminiter@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >I think Biff did mean Bush and in his capacity as Governor. In a
> >> >state death penalty case, the power of commuting the sentence lies
> >> >with the Governor.
> >>
> >> Not in Texas.
> >
> > Yes, even in Texas.
> >
> >> "Under Texas law, the Governor is not permitted to grant pardon or
> >> parole, or to commute a death penalty sentence to life imprisonment,
> >> on his own initiative (the law was changed after former Governor
> >> James Ferguson was charged with selling pardons for political
> >> contributions). Instead, the Board of Pardons and Paroles will
> >> recommend to the Governor whether or not to grant such. If the Board
> >> recommends such, the Governor is free to reject the recommendation,
> >> but if the Board chooses not to recommend such, in the case of a
> >> death penalty sentence the Governor can only grant a one-time, 30-day
> >> reprieve."
> >>
> >> (Yeah, yeah, insert "what does Wikipedia know" boilerplate.)
> >
> > That still states that the power lies with the Governor. He cannot do
> > it without the recommendation of the board, but the board only gives a
> > recommendation. It cannot actually pardon anyone.
>
> But he cannot willy-nilly grant pardons or commutations over the
> recommendations of the Board so his power is limited.. Take care
Yes. That's what I said...
- W. Citoan
--
The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriotsà
-- Thomas Jefferson
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 27 2009 2:13 pm
From: "Mike Schilling"
W. Citoan wrote:
>>> That still states that the power lies with the Governor. He cannot
>>> do it without the recommendation of the board, but the board only
>>> gives a recommendation. It cannot actually pardon anyone.
>>
>> But he cannot willy-nilly grant pardons or commutations over the
>> recommendations of the Board so his power is limited.. Take care
>
> Yes. That's what I said...
Of course, since the Board is appointed by the governor, there's no reason
to think they won't act on his suggestion.
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TOPIC: Consciousness without borders
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Date: Tues, Oct 27 2009 9:11 pm
From: "arya.raychaudhuri"
No comments on non-peer-reviewed/cited physics!
On Oct 26, 4:08 am, Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > the positive spirit going. In physics, of course, energy is conserved,
>
> Completely wrong. Energy is always getting created and subsequently
> destroyed. This is exactly what the Sun and all the stars do, with
> the help of endless Space.
>
> > and
> > you cannot produce more energy from less.
>
> Pressure variations create energy, which then gets destroyed.
>
> obMyBook: "The Principles of Motion" where all physical phenomena
> relating to motion and energy are explained...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Arindam Banerjee
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TOPIC: fs/ RONALD REAGAN HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOK, 1st, 1928
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Date: Tues, Oct 27 2009 10:30 pm
From: "ventureman3"
See complete photos/details at:
www.RareBookConsign.com/ReaganYearbook1928/
RBC
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