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TOPIC: Sacred Hate
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 14 2009 12:13 pm
From: "Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx----------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------"
On Oct 14, 2:18 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Quoting from hot New York SuperJew Blogger, sexy Ms. Pam Gellerhttp://tinyurl.com/yg83t78. . .
>
> Muslim leaders have repeatedly made clear their animosity toward Jews
> and Judaism. For example, on November 23, 1937, Saudi Arabia's King
> Ibn Saud told British Colonel H.R.P. Dickson: "Our hatred for the Jews
> dates from God's condemnation of them for their persecution and
> rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen
> Prophet." He added "that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be
> killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into
> the august presence of God Almighty."3
>
> When Hitler introduced the Nuremberg racial laws in 1935, he received
> telegrams of congratulation from all corners of the Arab world.4
> Later, during the war, one of his most ardent supporters was the Mufti
> of Jerusalem.
>
> Jews were never permitted to live in Jordan. Civil Law No. 6, which
> governed the Jordanian-occupied West Bank, states explicitly: "Any man
> will be a Jordanian subject if he is not Jewish."5
>
> The Arab countries see to it that even young schoolchildren are taught
> to hate Jews. The Syrian Minister of Education wrote in 1968: "The
> hatred which we indoctrinate into the minds of our children from their
> birth is sacred."
> --
> More on these birds of a fanatic fascist feather here . . .
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yg83t78
http://www.hearnow.org/caljp.html
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 14 2009 5:45 pm
From: Just Me
On Oct 14, 2:13 pm,
"Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------"
<john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2:18 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The Arab countries see to it that even young schoolchildren are taught
> > to hate Jews. The Syrian Minister of Education wrote in 1968: "The
> > hatred which we indoctrinate into the minds of our children from their
> > birth is sacred."
> > --
> > More on these birds of a fanatic fascist feather here . . .
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/yg83t78
>
> http://www.hearnow.org/caljp.html- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
And your reason for providing that link would be (just my guess)
this . . .
"1492 -- The banishment of Jews from Spain. 300,000 Jews who refused
to be "baptized" into the Church of Rome left Spain penniless. Many
migrated to the Muslim country, Turkey, where they found tolerance and
a welcome."
Now if this is what you wanted to be seen in context (or contrast)
with the extradordinary plethora of Christian persecutions appearing
in that chronology, then what? Can this be thought to erase the
multitude of contrasting instances of Muslim intolerance? Or in what
way would it be effective to blow away the very citadel of intolerance
and Sacred Hate, the Dome of the Rock mosque, from off the foundation
of the Jewish Temple? Or is there some way for Turks to justify what
they do to the Christian Cathedral of Hagia Sophia at Istanbul, as it
remains to this day under invasion and robbery as a Muslim Mosque?
Are such expressions as these what we are to expected to accept for
the "tolerance" of Islam for Jews and Christians?
But yes, I see no reason to doubt the credibility of the 1492 event as
one stops to consider the amount of the Jizya (protection money) to be
extorted from the purses of 200,000 immigrating Jews. Islam has always
been the very picture of 'tolerance' in that way . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
--
JM http://whosenose.blogspot.com
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 14 2009 5:53 pm
From: "Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx"
On Oct 14, 8:45 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2:13 pm,
> "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx------------------------------------
>
> -----------------------------------------------"
> <john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca>
>
> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 14, 2:18 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The Arab countries see to it that even young schoolchildren are taught
> > > to hate Jews. The Syrian Minister of Education wrote in 1968: "The
> > > hatred which we indoctrinate into the minds of our children from their
> > > birth is sacred."
> > > --
> > > More on these birds of a fanatic fascist feather here . . .
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/yg83t78
>
> >http://www.hearnow.org/caljp.html-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> And your reason for providing that link would be (just my guess)
> this . . .
>
> "1492 -- The banishment of Jews from Spain. 300,000 Jews who refused
> to be "baptized" into the Church of Rome left Spain penniless. Many
> migrated to the Muslim country, Turkey, where they found tolerance and
> a welcome."
>
> Now if this is what you wanted to be seen in context (or contrast)
> with the extradordinary plethora of Christian persecutions appearing
> in that chronology, then what? Can this be thought to erase the
> multitude of contrasting instances of Muslim intolerance? Or in what
> way would it be effective to blow away the very citadel of intolerance
> and Sacred Hate, the Dome of the Rock mosque, from off the foundation
> of the Jewish Temple? Or is there some way for Turks to justify what
> they do to the Christian Cathedral of Hagia Sophia at Istanbul, as it
> remains to this day under invasion and robbery as a Muslim Mosque?
> Are such expressions as these what we are to expected to accept for
> the "tolerance" of Islam for Jews and Christians?
>
> But yes, I see no reason to doubt the credibility of the 1492 event as
> one stops to consider the amount of the Jizya (protection money) to be
> extorted from the purses of 200,000 immigrating Jews. Islam has always
> been the very picture of 'tolerance' in that way . . .
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
> --
> JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
Naw.
70 AD
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 14 2009 6:14 pm
From: Just Me
On Oct 14, 7:53 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
<john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Oct 14, 8:45 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 2:13 pm,
> > "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx------------------------------------
>
> > -----------------------------------------------"
> > <john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca>
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 14, 2:18 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > The Arab countries see to it that even young schoolchildren are taught
> > > > to hate Jews. The Syrian Minister of Education wrote in 1968: "The
> > > > hatred which we indoctrinate into the minds of our children from their
> > > > birth is sacred."
> > > > --
> > > > More on these birds of a fanatic fascist feather here . . .
>
> > > >http://tinyurl.com/yg83t78
>
> > >http://www.hearnow.org/caljp.html-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > And your reason for providing that link would be (just my guess)
> > this . . .
>
> > "1492 -- The banishment of Jews from Spain. 300,000 Jews who refused
> > to be "baptized" into the Church of Rome left Spain penniless. Many
> > migrated to the Muslim country, Turkey, where they found tolerance and
> > a welcome."
>
> > Now if this is what you wanted to be seen in context (or contrast)
> > with the extradordinary plethora of Christian persecutions appearing
> > in that chronology, then what? Can this be thought to erase the
> > multitude of contrasting instances of Muslim intolerance? Or in what
> > way would it be effective to blow away the very citadel of intolerance
> > and Sacred Hate, the Dome of the Rock mosque, from off the foundation
> > of the Jewish Temple? Or is there some way for Turks to justify what
> > they do to the Christian Cathedral of Hagia Sophia at Istanbul, as it
> > remains to this day under invasion and robbery as a Muslim Mosque?
> > Are such expressions as these what we are to expected to accept for
> > the "tolerance" of Islam for Jews and Christians?
>
> > But yes, I see no reason to doubt the credibility of the 1492 event as
> > one stops to consider the amount of the Jizya (protection money) to be
> > extorted from the purses of 200,000 immigrating Jews. Islam has always
> > been the very picture of 'tolerance' in that way . . .
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
> > --
> > JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
>
> Naw.
>
> 70 AD
Ah yes. Emperor Vespasian's memorable attempt to channel the Thousand
Year Reich a few years before its time. In any case, thanks for the
link. I have it bookmarked for future reference. Sorry, I misjudged
your intent.
--
JM http://whosenose.blogspot.com
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
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TOPIC: Cheaper Kindle
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/83369cb7977feb61?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 14 2009 1:03 pm
From: Errol
On Oct 15, 3:47 am, Louann Miller <louan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote innews:MPG.254007598a0b4858989d48@news.octanews.com:
>
> >> There are entire binary e-book newsgroups devoted to that sort of
> >> thing. I hear.
>
> > Among other things. But I thought we were discussing legal means of
> > obtaining and reading e-books here.
You know, removing DRM isn't in itself illegal in every country of the
world. If you don't have the technical nouse to strip DRM (and I
didn't get my iPhone until a mate had sorted out how to strip and
convert anything he had access to), such locations might be handy.
>
> Having paid for a book once, a hypothetical reader might feel justified in
> getting an informal backup copy as well to make up any deficiencies (like
> DRM) in the paid-for copy.
One of those lovely situations were everyone is guilty of something,
but there isn't a fuss because if you keep your head down you don't
get noticed and prosecuted(effectively by those that _think_ they have
an interest in doing so).
--
Errol Cavit
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 14 2009 1:08 pm
From: Jim Gysin
peachyashiepassion sent the following on 10/13/2009 6:34 PM:
> Jim Gysin wrote:
>> peachyashiepassion sent the following on 10/10/2009 9:11 PM:
>>> netcat wrote:
>>>> In article <hal6pa$8te$1@solani.org>, kurt@busiek.com says...
>>>>> On 2009-10-08 05:17:52 -0700, netcat <netcat@devnull.eridani.eol.ee>
>>>>> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <6821cddd-a198-4b5a-a72e-23e30f032051
>>>>>> @l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, willadams@aol.com says...
>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 4:09 pm, nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) wrote:
>>>>>>>> Do any of these alternatives offer an operating system that is not
>>>>>>>> under remote control? i.e., no files can be deleted from the device
>>>>>>>> unless the operator of the device deletes them?
>>>>>>> That's the nature of DRM. I simply choose not to read any DRM files
>>>>>>> and don't worry about such.
>>>>>> I woulda thunk it more the nature of always-online devices that phone
>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FWIW, Amazon just settled a lawsuit and promised not to do that
>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>> I don't want promises, I want it to be physically impossible for
>>>>>> them to
>>>>>> paw at the content of my device whenever it suits them. Can the Kindle
>>>>>> wireless connection be disabled?
>>>>> It can be turned off, if that's what you mean.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not required -- you can buy stuff, download it to your computer
>>>>> and put it on the Kindle by hooking up your Kindle to your computer;
>>>>> the phone link is a convenience rather than a requirement, so you
>>>>> could theoretically leave it off at all times.
>>>>>
>>>>> In normal use, you kep it turned off most of the time anyway,
>>>>> because it drains the battery quickly while in use, so the way you
>>>>> get that two-week battery time they promote is to leave it off when
>>>>> you're not actually buying something.
>>>> So it's possible to turn if off in a way that it won't start again
>>>> unless _you_ turn it on? Thanks. That's all I wanted to know.
>>>>
>>>> rgds,
>>>> netcat
>>>
>>> You know, that's why I didn't answer. I'm not at all sure they
>>> didn't leave some back door in. If they are sufficiently evil, they
>>> may well have.
>> I was gonna ask you what you're doing on RAM, and then I saw the
>> crosspost. At least none of the usual dysfunctional groups was included!
>>
>> As for the Kindle or any other similar device, I'd almost be surprised
>> if they *didn't* build in a "feature" like that for themselves.
>>
>
> True enough.
>
> You CAN always make a backup copy of everything on your Kindle, so if
> they swipe your stuff, you would still have your backup. So it has that
> going for it.
That's good to know, and it appears that Orwell's books could have been
salvaged by users, in that case. Or would Amazon have continued to go
back in to try to delete it even after the uproar, I wonder?
Either way, personal experience tells me that not too many people share
my obsession with data backups, so they could be in a world of hurt with
no warning. (See T-Mobile and their Sidekick dustup over cloud
failure--coupled with the apparent failure of tons of users to back up
their own cloud data.)
--
Jim Gysin
Waukesha, WI
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 14 2009 1:18 pm
From: Kurt Busiek
On 2009-10-14 13:08:39 -0700, Jim Gysin <jimgysin@geemail.com> said:
>
> peachyashiepassion sent the following on 10/13/2009 6:34 PM:
>> Jim Gysin wrote:
>>> peachyashiepassion sent the following on 10/10/2009 9:11 PM:
>>>> netcat wrote:
>>>>> In article <hal6pa$8te$1@solani.org>, kurt@busiek.com says...
>>>>>> On 2009-10-08 05:17:52 -0700, netcat <netcat@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <6821cddd-a198-4b5a-a72e-23e30f032051
>>>>>>> @l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, willadams@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 4:09 pm, nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Do any of these alternatives offer an operating system that is not
>>>>>>>>> under remote control? i.e., no files can be deleted from the device
>>>>>>>>> unless the operator of the device deletes them?
>>>>>>>> That's the nature of DRM. I simply choose not to read any DRM files
>>>>>>>> and don't worry about such.
>>>>>>> I woulda thunk it more the nature of always-online devices that phone
>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FWIW, Amazon just settled a lawsuit and promised not to do that again.
>>>>>>> I don't want promises, I want it to be physically impossible for them to
>>>>>>> paw at the content of my device whenever it suits them. Can the Kindle
>>>>>>> wireless connection be disabled?
>>>>>> It can be turned off, if that's what you mean.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not required -- you can buy stuff, download it to your computer
>>>>>> and put it on the Kindle by hooking up your Kindle to your computer;
>>>>>> the phone link is a convenience rather than a requirement, so you could
>>>>>> theoretically leave it off at all times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In normal use, you kep it turned off most of the time anyway, because
>>>>>> it drains the battery quickly while in use, so the way you get that
>>>>>> two-week battery time they promote is to leave it off when you're not
>>>>>> actually buying something.
>>>>> So it's possible to turn if off in a way that it won't start again
>>>>> unless _you_ turn it on? Thanks. That's all I wanted to know.
>>>>>
>>>>> rgds,
>>>>> netcat
>>>>
>>>> You know, that's why I didn't answer. I'm not at all sure they
>>>> didn't leave some back door in. If they are sufficiently evil, they
>>>> may well have.
>>> I was gonna ask you what you're doing on RAM, and then I saw the
>>> crosspost. At least none of the usual dysfunctional groups was
>>> included!
>>>
>>> As for the Kindle or any other similar device, I'd almost be surprised
>>> if they *didn't* build in a "feature" like that for themselves.
>>>
>>
>> True enough.
>>
>> You CAN always make a backup copy of everything on your Kindle, so
>> if they swipe your stuff, you would still have your backup. So it has
>> that going for it.
>
> That's good to know, and it appears that Orwell's books could have been
> salvaged by users, in that case. Or would Amazon have continued to go
> back in to try to delete it even after the uproar, I wonder?
Actually, after the uproar, Amazon offered the readers the book back,
complete with any notes they'd attached, or failing that, a $30 credit
or $30 check. Presumably, they made a deal with the US copyright
holder of the material to allow them to do that.
At
least one of the customers who sued them over it got a settlement of
$150,000, and an agreement from Amazon that they won't deleted
purchased e-books in the future, unless (a) the user consents; (b) the
user seeks a refund or an electronic payment fails to clear; (c) a
court orders the deletion; or (d) deletion is necessary to protect
against malware.
There are some other exceptions, noted here:
http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/ebusiness/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220300915
Either
> way, personal experience tells me that not too many people share my
> obsession with data backups, so they could be in a world of hurt with
> no warning. (See T-Mobile and their Sidekick dustup over cloud
> failure--coupled with the apparent failure of tons of users to back up
> their own cloud data.)
Yep. Backups are a good idea. If you never need 'em, they don't hurt,
but if you do need 'em, not having them hurts.
kdb
--
Visit http://www.busiek.com -- for all your Busiek needs!
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TOPIC: Now Available--Weird Words: A Lovecraftian Lexicon
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 14 2009 2:31 pm
From: Dan Clore
Robert Carnegie wrote:
> Dan Clore wrote:
>> PRESS RELEASE
>>
>> EVENT:
>>
>> Weird Words: A Lovecraftian Lexicon, by Dan Clore, published by
>> Hippocampus Press, is now available.
>
> We worry, as always, for the typesetters. Does the doctor see any
> signs of recovery yet? Well, early days, early days. Hmm...
> shouldn't have put it like that.. :-)
It was quite a job for the typesetter, and my eyes were konking out at
the end so I had to beg off proofreading, but I've found very few
mistakes and none of any significance. I'm extremely pleased with the
way the book came out.
--
Dan Clore
New book: _Weird Words: A Lovecraftian Lexicon_:
http://tinyurl.com/yd3bxkw
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
(Wait for the new edition: http://hplmythos.com/ )
Lord Weÿrdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:
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News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"
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TOPIC: Bookstores Around the World (rec.arts.books) (FAQ) (IMPORTANT UPDATE)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 14 2009 9:49 pm
From: "Robert A. Woodward"
In article <hb57rf$1dn$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"Francis A. Miniter" <faminiter@comcast.net> wrote:
> Mike Schilling wrote:
> > Francis A. Miniter wrote:
> >> Mike Schilling wrote:
> >>> Francis A. Miniter wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In any case, it is you who is not being logical. As I
> >>>> pointed out before, the FF&C Clause contains no exceptions.
> >>>> It is absolute in its application. You may or may not
> >>>> like that,
> >>> What does "like that" have to do with anything? I have no agenda
> >>> here.
> >>>
> >>>> Given that rationale, logic demands that there is no
> >>>> individual aspect of marital law that can possibly be
> >>>> excluded from its scope.
> >>> Yet as the professor points out, it hasn't been applied to
> >>> marriage,
> >>> as opposed to divorce. (Your point about common-law marruiage
> >>> appears to be an exception.) That's a fact, whether you like it or
> >>> not.
> >> Your ability to resist reality is truly impressive.
> >
> > I'll ask for about the fourth time: show a case where FFaC was used to
> > force a state to recognize a marriage. Your point about common-law
> > marriage was one, I'll give you that. Any others?
> >
>
> In re May's Estate, 305 N.Y. 486 (1953), couple went to
> Rhode Island to get married because NY did not allow
> marriages of uncle and niece. Now do your own homework.
Now this does sound analogous to the Loving case. Did New York
prosecute them for incest?
--
Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>
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