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* Excuse me!! Would you stop for a moment?! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/1883643d6eb19417?hl=en
* Death Knell Day - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/797cdf9d9f629d27?hl=en
* Franz Neumann on Carl Schmitt - 1 messages, 1 author
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* "In Cold Blood" - the Clutter murders, 50 years later - 2 messages, 2
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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/bf772fd1e7a9a6aa?hl=en
* Poetry and Philsophy - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/12e1c58325955554?hl=en
* Do You Believe in Free Willie? A Note for the King of Texas - 1 messages, 1
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TOPIC: Excuse me!! Would you stop for a moment?!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/1883643d6eb19417?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 15 2009 9:29 am
From: Stratum101


On Nov 15, 10:59 am, teacher <osta...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Have you seen a design which hasn't a designer ?!


See _The Origins of Order_ by Stuart Kauffman, 1993

> Haven't you thought about what is the right religion?!
> Read ... and think deepl

Oh, shut up.


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TOPIC: Death Knell Day
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/797cdf9d9f629d27?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 12:30 am
From: Just Me


Come the Death Knell Date of October 23, 1941, day of the dictate to
shut down all emigration from Nazi occupied Europe, it had not been to
change things by much. Most any possibility of escape had already
been erased for all but the most wealthy or influential, since the
September 15, 1935 decrees of the Nuremberg Laws, cutting off any
viable or visible means of doing business, or making any sort of
living in the Reich--for Jewish people.

The decree Hitler issued on that dismal day of late October was being
laughed to scorn for the absurdity it was, in view of the queues that
every day had grown to wrap twice and nearly three times around the
city block at any American or British embassy. And as of the outbreak
of war, September 1, 1939, U.S. immigration quotas for refugees of
German or Eastern European origin (Jews especially) had long been
filled, right up till1952--in case you didn't mind waiting? Well!
There were always those other lines you could get into, ever since
February of 1940, for a train ride to some highly touted "Jewish
Resort" in Poland, in case any were all that anxious to be lining up
for something so hopeful as all that.

The Jews of Poland knew how 'hopeful' it was, even if German and
French Jews had as yet, little or no idea. In Poland the firsthand
accounts of people escaping the ghettos with their stories of the SS
Deaths-Head Einsatzgruppen firing squads and mass graves, had gotten
around even to the extent that, "between 1939 and 1941 nearly 300,000
Polish Jews, almost 10 percent of the Polish Jewish population, fled
German-occupied areas of Poland and crossed into the Soviet zone."
http://tinyurl.com/yfqcyqr And what a warm reception full of hope
they found to greet them there, as by the tens of thousands, Jews were
promptly loaded into boxcars to be deported to Siberia, central Asia,
and other remote areas in the interior of the Soviet Union.
http://tinyurl.com/yjlvrct

Jews fortunate to have been living in the Netherlands and Denmark,
given a whole lot more of that luck were able to make the connections
necessary to stow away aboard fishing boats bound for Sweden. In
France, had a Jew the advantage of more than a few Francs in his
pocket, you might be able to bribe your way over the Spanish border to
gain a visa for Portugal from whence passage might be booked, again
given visas for South America or Shanghai.

Such dearly expensive, first class options as these for the majority
of low to middle class Jews of Europe were closed shut tight, and when
the war heated up as of the June '41 invasion of the USSR, with all of
Poland transformed into a war zone, even the prospect of spending a
few years or the rest of your life as a guest of the Russians at their
Jewish Resort in Siberia no longer looked quite so sunny and hopeful,
let alone in the least way possible, as that emigration came to a
crashing halt in 1941, with the advance of Nazi control to the
furthest reaches of the Balkans.

Following upon Death Knell Day, all the Greater Reich had become for
Jews nothing except an annex to Auschwitz, into which there would have
been no gleam of hope at all, save for just one, last, scarce ray that
since 1939 had been beaming from the Black Sea port of Constanza in
Romania, through Hungary to Austria, from its original source of light
in Eretz Israel of Jewish Palestine, come of a beacon of one last hope
and call to life, known as "Aliya Bet."

The Israeli Mossad began its life to do battle against the British
White Paper of 1939 put into place at that time of all times, to
severely limit Jewish immigration to Palestine. In its infancy, this
"Mossad l'Aliya Bet," was specifically what might quite rightly be
called the "Illegal Immigration Service" of Eretz Israel, formed to a
single, albeit two-pronged purpose: 1) to defy the British White
Paper, 2) by rescuing Jewish refugees from the Nazi extermination
machine.

Aliya Bet (Mossad) was headed by Shaul Avigur, founder of
"Shai" (Sherut Yed 'ot) the intelligence service of the Haganah, as
also he was head of counter intelligence, Resh Nun - Rigul Negdi, "and
Ta'as - the clandestine defense industry that later became the Israel
defense industry. He was active in the fight against the British White
Paper of 1939 and then served as head of the illegal immigration
authority, the Mossad l'Aliya Bet, which operated to help Jews escape
from Nazi-occupied Europe. He was also active in organizing
clandestine arms purchases."

http://www.zionism-israel.com/bio/Avigur_biography.htm

Now there are those who hold to the opinion that Jews had no business
emigrating to Palestine at all in the first place, and this just goes
to show how "illegal" the whole thing was right from the beginning,
when Jews started boarding those leaky tramp freighters from ports on
the Black Sea to run the British blockade. Yes, indeed it was totally
ILLEGAL for a poor, doomed European Jew from 1939 onward to save his
own life. It had become a settled matter of international law that it
was now illegal for a Jew of Europe to live.

For the average European middle and working class Jew, let alone all
bourgeois Jews who'd had everything the Nazis could lay hands on
confiscated, for this majority of Jews who were being told by the rest
of the world to lay down and die in the gas, there were a few Zionists
among them saying right back to all the world, "Kiss My Sweet Jewish
Tuchas! You go lie in the gas. I will live!"

Yes. And what's more, "If those Arabs of Palestine don't like it?
Well, let me tell you something: ain't that just too bad that my need
to stay alive makes him feel all invaded and everything? I don't care.
Read my lips! You don't like it? You shut up. And you stay shut up. My
life matters to me. It matters not to you. So, you got nothing to say
about it, because nobody's chasing your stingy Arab buns around with
a Nazi Gas Van. So you just shut up, move over and make room. Oh no?
Then it's you who will be in the soup, Baby. You just find out. No.
This is the land of MY ancient fathers and mothers, and since you
don't like it, this is the day for you to change your mind, or . . .

It would have been nice, had the Arabs been courteous about the whole
thing. Had they so done, there would have been room enough for all, in
peace and prosperity. But they had no heart for any but their own.
Their miserly, selfish, uncharitable, bigoted way of behaving from day
one, with their constant outrages of bloody depredations? It only
forced Israel's hand to declare Eretz Israel in Palestine a state
independent of the Arabs in the land--an absolutely necessary act of
survival is Israel, and make no mistake about it.

For those who say there is no connection between Israel with its
18,000 blockade running, Palestine bound, Black Sea Jews--and the
Holocaust? Nothing on earth could be a greater falsification of
History. Obviously. There is no more parsing a distinction between
Jews and Israelis, than between Jews and the Holocaust, the Holocaust
and Israel. Those were 18,000 fighting mad, proud to be alive, Jews,
baby. Jews who would survive AT ALL COSTS, as any fully human person
with a heart, will do.

People on this earth do what they must to survive. Nothing less can be
expected of anyone. To say otherwise is the lowest moral depravity
known to man. And it doesn't matter what they say, because those who
know, do know it is not only a right to survive but it IS right to
survive; always right to survive and always wrong to stand in the way
of another man's survival. Those who do not know that will very sadly
learn the hard way how wrong that is. And if they will wrongly fight,
wrongly supposing that they save their land from a man who would come
seeking sanctuary there--do you know what? They have, by that,
violated any privilege they ever thought was theirs to call it "their
land."

It is no mere matter of logic, nor of morality, let alone of
scriptural teaching, though it may be all those things, only
secondarily. But first it is a law; the law of survival. You deny any
man the sanctuary that will save his life, suddenly he has the right
by virtue of saving his life to take what you will not give. For it is
not your life he is after, but only a place to stand free of harm. He
will demand that place. It is right for him so to do, it is his right
so to do. Your claim to the land upon which you stand is lesser than
the claim the other man has to the life in which he stands. You don't
make land the greater value over life. You don't do that, and remain
in the right. Do it, and what have you done to the value of your own
life, let alone to any claim on a space of the earth to sustain it?
The moment you devalue another life, you devalue all life, most
especially your own, and all things pertaining to it.
--
JM http://whosenose.blogspot.com
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 4:53 am
From: Mark


On Nov 16, 3:30 am, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Come the Death Knell Date of October 23, 1941, day of the dictate to
> shut down all emigration from Nazi occupied Europe, it had not been to
> change things by much.  Most any possibility of escape had already
> been erased for all but the most wealthy or influential, since the
> September 15, 1935 decrees of the Nuremberg Laws, cutting off any
> viable or visible means of doing business, or making any sort of
> living in the Reich--for Jewish people.
>
> The decree Hitler issued on that dismal day of late October was being
> laughed to scorn for the absurdity it was, in view of the queues that
> every day had grown to wrap twice and nearly three times around the
> city block at any American or British embassy. And as of the outbreak
> of war, September 1, 1939, U.S. immigration quotas for refugees of
> German or Eastern European origin (Jews especially) had long been
> filled, right up till1952--in case you didn't mind waiting? Well!
> There were always those other lines you could get into, ever since
> February of 1940, for a train ride to some highly touted "Jewish
> Resort" in Poland, in case any were all that anxious to be lining up
> for something so hopeful as all that.
>
> The Jews of Poland knew how 'hopeful' it was, even if German and
> French Jews had as yet, little or no idea. In Poland the firsthand
> accounts of people escaping the ghettos with their stories of the SS
> Deaths-Head Einsatzgruppen firing squads and mass graves, had gotten
> around even to the extent that, "between 1939 and 1941 nearly 300,000
> Polish Jews, almost 10 percent of the Polish Jewish population, fled
> German-occupied areas of Poland and crossed into the Soviet zone."http://tinyurl.com/yfqcyqr  And what a warm reception full of hope
> they found to greet them there, as by the tens of thousands, Jews were
> promptly loaded into boxcars to be deported to Siberia, central Asia,
> and other remote areas in the interior of the Soviet Union.http://tinyurl.com/yjlvrct
>
> Jews fortunate to have been living in the Netherlands and Denmark,
> given a whole lot more of that luck were able to make the connections
> necessary to stow away aboard fishing boats bound for Sweden. In
> France, had a Jew the advantage of more than a few Francs in his
> pocket, you might be able to bribe your way over the Spanish border to
> gain a visa for Portugal from whence passage might be booked, again
> given visas for South America or Shanghai.
>
> Such dearly expensive, first class options as these for the majority
> of low to middle class Jews of Europe were closed shut tight, and when
> the war heated up as of the June '41 invasion of the USSR, with all of
> Poland transformed into a war zone, even the prospect of spending a
> few years or the rest of your life as a guest of the Russians at their
> Jewish Resort in Siberia no longer looked quite so sunny and hopeful,
> let alone in the least way possible, as that emigration came to a
> crashing halt in 1941, with the advance of Nazi control to the
> furthest reaches of the Balkans.
>
> Following upon Death Knell Day, all the Greater Reich had become for
> Jews nothing except an annex to Auschwitz, into which there would have
> been no gleam of hope at all, save for just one, last, scarce ray that
> since 1939 had been beaming from the Black Sea port of Constanza in
> Romania, through Hungary to Austria, from its original source of light
> in Eretz Israel of Jewish Palestine, come of a beacon of one last hope
> and call to life, known as "Aliya Bet."
>
> The Israeli Mossad began its life to do battle against the British
> White Paper of 1939 put into place at that time of all times, to
> severely limit Jewish immigration to Palestine. In its infancy, this
> "Mossad l'Aliya Bet," was specifically what might quite rightly be
> called the "Illegal Immigration Service" of Eretz Israel, formed to a
> single, albeit two-pronged purpose: 1) to defy the British White
> Paper, 2) by rescuing Jewish refugees from the Nazi extermination
> machine.
>
> Aliya Bet (Mossad) was headed by Shaul Avigur, founder of
> "Shai" (Sherut Yed 'ot) the intelligence service of the Haganah, as
> also he was head of counter intelligence, Resh Nun - Rigul Negdi, "and
> Ta'as - the clandestine defense industry that later became the Israel
> defense industry. He was active in the fight against the British White
> Paper of 1939 and then served as head of the illegal immigration
> authority, the Mossad l'Aliya Bet, which operated to help Jews escape
> from Nazi-occupied Europe. He was also active in organizing
> clandestine arms purchases."
>
> http://www.zionism-israel.com/bio/Avigur_biography.htm
>
> Now there are those who hold to the opinion that Jews had no business
> emigrating to Palestine at all in the first place, and this just goes
> to show how "illegal" the whole thing was right from the beginning,
> when Jews started boarding those leaky tramp freighters from ports on
> the Black Sea to run the British blockade.  Yes, indeed it was totally
> ILLEGAL for a poor, doomed European Jew from 1939 onward to save his
> own life.  It had become a settled matter of international law that it
> was now illegal for a Jew of Europe to live.
>
> For the average European middle and working class Jew, let alone all
> bourgeois Jews who'd had everything the Nazis could lay hands on
> confiscated, for this majority of Jews who were being told by the rest
> of the world to lay down and die in the gas, there were a few Zionists
> among them saying right back to all the world, "Kiss My Sweet Jewish
> Tuchas! You go lie in the gas. I will live!"
>
> Yes. And what's more, "If those Arabs of Palestine don't like it?
> Well, let me tell you something: ain't that just too bad that my need
> to stay alive makes him feel all invaded and everything? I don't care.
> Read my lips! You don't like it? You shut up. And you stay shut up. My
> life matters to me. It matters not to you. So, you got nothing to say
> about it, because nobody's chasing your stingy Arab buns around with
> a  Nazi Gas Van. So you just shut up, move over and make room. Oh no?
> Then it's you who will be in the soup, Baby. You just find out. No.
> This is the land of MY ancient fathers and mothers, and since you
> don't like it, this is the day for you to change your mind, or . . .
>
> It would have been nice, had the Arabs been courteous about the whole
> thing. Had they so done, there would have been room enough for all, in
> peace and prosperity. But they had no heart for any but their own.
> Their miserly, selfish, uncharitable, bigoted way of behaving from day
> one, with their constant outrages of bloody depredations?  It only
> forced Israel's hand to declare Eretz Israel in Palestine a state
> independent of the Arabs in the land--an absolutely necessary act of
> survival is Israel, and make no mistake about it.
>
> For those who say there is no connection between Israel with its
> 18,000 blockade running, Palestine bound, Black Sea Jews--and the
> Holocaust? Nothing on earth could be a greater falsification of
> History. Obviously. There is no more parsing a distinction between
> Jews and Israelis, than between Jews and the Holocaust, the Holocaust
> and Israel. Those were 18,000 fighting mad, proud to be alive, Jews,
> baby. Jews who would survive AT ALL COSTS, as any fully human person
> with a heart, will do.
>
> People on this earth do what they must to survive. Nothing less can be
> expected of anyone. To say otherwise is the lowest moral depravity
> known to man.  And it doesn't matter what they say, because those who
> know, do know it is not only a right to survive but it IS right to
> survive; always right to survive and always wrong to stand in the way
> of another man's survival.  Those who do not know that will very sadly
> learn the hard way how wrong that is. And if they will wrongly fight,
> wrongly supposing that they save their land from a man who would come
> seeking sanctuary there--do you know what? They have, by that,
> violated any privilege they ever thought was theirs to call it "their
> land."
>
> It is no mere matter of logic, nor of morality, let alone of
> scriptural teaching, though it may be all those things, only
> secondarily. But first it is a law; the law of survival. You deny any
> man the sanctuary that will save his life, suddenly he has the right
> by virtue of saving his life to take what you will not give. For it is
> not your life he is after, but only a place to stand free of harm. He
> will demand that place. It is right for him so to do, it is his right
> so to do. Your claim to the land upon which you stand is lesser than
> the claim the other man has to the life in which he stands. You don't
> make land the greater value over life. You don't do that, and remain
> in the right. Do it, and what have you done to the value of your own
> life, let alone to any claim on a space of the earth to sustain it?
> The moment you devalue another life, you devalue all life, most
> especially your own, and all things pertaining to it.
> --
> JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com


Samuel Barber's...Adagio for Strings, says it best-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV3SHBFyDZM&feature=related

Take care,
Mark

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 5:05 am
From: "Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx"


On Nov 16, 3:30 am, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Come the Death Knell Date of October 23, 1941, day of the dictate to
> shut down all emigration from Nazi occupied Europe, it had not been to
> change things by much.  Most any possibility of escape had already
> been erased for all but the most wealthy or influential, since the
> September 15, 1935 decrees of the Nuremberg Laws, cutting off any
> viable or visible means of doing business, or making any sort of
> living in the Reich--for Jewish people.
>
> The decree Hitler issued on that dismal day of late October was being
> laughed to scorn for the absurdity it was, in view of the queues that
> every day had grown to wrap twice and nearly three times around the
> city block at any American or British embassy. And as of the outbreak
> of war, September 1, 1939, U.S. immigration quotas for refugees of
> German or Eastern European origin (Jews especially) had long been
> filled, right up till1952--in case you didn't mind waiting? Well!
> There were always those other lines you could get into, ever since
> February of 1940, for a train ride to some highly touted "Jewish
> Resort" in Poland, in case any were all that anxious to be lining up
> for something so hopeful as all that.
>
> The Jews of Poland knew how 'hopeful' it was, even if German and
> French Jews had as yet, little or no idea. In Poland the firsthand
> accounts of people escaping the ghettos with their stories of the SS
> Deaths-Head Einsatzgruppen firing squads and mass graves, had gotten
> around even to the extent that, "between 1939 and 1941 nearly 300,000
> Polish Jews, almost 10 percent of the Polish Jewish population, fled
> German-occupied areas of Poland and crossed into the Soviet zone."http://tinyurl.com/yfqcyqr  And what a warm reception full of hope
> they found to greet them there, as by the tens of thousands, Jews were
> promptly loaded into boxcars to be deported to Siberia, central Asia,
> and other remote areas in the interior of the Soviet Union.http://tinyurl.com/yjlvrct
>
> Jews fortunate to have been living in the Netherlands and Denmark,
> given a whole lot more of that luck were able to make the connections
> necessary to stow away aboard fishing boats bound for Sweden. In
> France, had a Jew the advantage of more than a few Francs in his
> pocket, you might be able to bribe your way over the Spanish border to
> gain a visa for Portugal from whence passage might be booked, again
> given visas for South America or Shanghai.
>
> Such dearly expensive, first class options as these for the majority
> of low to middle class Jews of Europe were closed shut tight, and when
> the war heated up as of the June '41 invasion of the USSR, with all of
> Poland transformed into a war zone, even the prospect of spending a
> few years or the rest of your life as a guest of the Russians at their
> Jewish Resort in Siberia no longer looked quite so sunny and hopeful,
> let alone in the least way possible, as that emigration came to a
> crashing halt in 1941, with the advance of Nazi control to the
> furthest reaches of the Balkans.
>
> Following upon Death Knell Day, all the Greater Reich had become for
> Jews nothing except an annex to Auschwitz, into which there would have
> been no gleam of hope at all, save for just one, last, scarce ray that
> since 1939 had been beaming from the Black Sea port of Constanza in
> Romania, through Hungary to Austria, from its original source of light
> in Eretz Israel of Jewish Palestine, come of a beacon of one last hope
> and call to life, known as "Aliya Bet."
>
> The Israeli Mossad began its life to do battle against the British
> White Paper of 1939 put into place at that time of all times, to
> severely limit Jewish immigration to Palestine. In its infancy, this
> "Mossad l'Aliya Bet," was specifically what might quite rightly be
> called the "Illegal Immigration Service" of Eretz Israel, formed to a
> single, albeit two-pronged purpose: 1) to defy the British White
> Paper, 2) by rescuing Jewish refugees from the Nazi extermination
> machine.
>
> Aliya Bet (Mossad) was headed by Shaul Avigur, founder of
> "Shai" (Sherut Yed 'ot) the intelligence service of the Haganah, as
> also he was head of counter intelligence, Resh Nun - Rigul Negdi, "and
> Ta'as - the clandestine defense industry that later became the Israel
> defense industry. He was active in the fight against the British White
> Paper of 1939 and then served as head of the illegal immigration
> authority, the Mossad l'Aliya Bet, which operated to help Jews escape
> from Nazi-occupied Europe. He was also active in organizing
> clandestine arms purchases."
>
> http://www.zionism-israel.com/bio/Avigur_biography.htm
>
> Now there are those who hold to the opinion that Jews had no business
> emigrating to Palestine at all in the first place, and this just goes
> to show how "illegal" the whole thing was right from the beginning,
> when Jews started boarding those leaky tramp freighters from ports on
> the Black Sea to run the British blockade.  Yes, indeed it was totally
> ILLEGAL for a poor, doomed European Jew from 1939 onward to save his
> own life.  It had become a settled matter of international law that it
> was now illegal for a Jew of Europe to live.
>
> For the average European middle and working class Jew, let alone all
> bourgeois Jews who'd had everything the Nazis could lay hands on
> confiscated, for this majority of Jews who were being told by the rest
> of the world to lay down and die in the gas, there were a few Zionists
> among them saying right back to all the world, "Kiss My Sweet Jewish
> Tuchas! You go lie in the gas. I will live!"
>
> Yes. And what's more, "If those Arabs of Palestine don't like it?
> Well, let me tell you something: ain't that just too bad that my need
> to stay alive makes him feel all invaded and everything? I don't care.
> Read my lips! You don't like it? You shut up. And you stay shut up. My
> life matters to me. It matters not to you. So, you got nothing to say
> about it, because nobody's chasing your stingy Arab buns around with
> a  Nazi Gas Van. So you just shut up, move over and make room. Oh no?
> Then it's you who will be in the soup, Baby. You just find out. No.
> This is the land of MY ancient fathers and mothers, and since you
> don't like it, this is the day for you to change your mind, or . . .
>
> It would have been nice, had the Arabs been courteous about the whole
> thing. Had they so done, there would have been room enough for all, in
> peace and prosperity. But they had no heart for any but their own.
> Their miserly, selfish, uncharitable, bigoted way of behaving from day
> one, with their constant outrages of bloody depredations?  It only
> forced Israel's hand to declare Eretz Israel in Palestine a state
> independent of the Arabs in the land--an absolutely necessary act of
> survival is Israel, and make no mistake about it.
>
> For those who say there is no connection between Israel with its
> 18,000 blockade running, Palestine bound, Black Sea Jews--and the
> Holocaust? Nothing on earth could be a greater falsification of
> History. Obviously. There is no more parsing a distinction between
> Jews and Israelis, than between Jews and the Holocaust, the Holocaust
> and Israel. Those were 18,000 fighting mad, proud to be alive, Jews,
> baby. Jews who would survive AT ALL COSTS, as any fully human person
> with a heart, will do.
>
> People on this earth do what they must to survive. Nothing less can be
> expected of anyone. To say otherwise is the lowest moral depravity
> known to man.  And it doesn't matter what they say, because those who
> know, do know it is not only a right to survive but it IS right to
> survive; always right to survive and always wrong to stand in the way
> of another man's survival.  Those who do not know that will very sadly
> learn the hard way how wrong that is. And if they will wrongly fight,
> wrongly supposing that they save their land from a man who would come
> seeking sanctuary there--do you know what? They have, by that,
> violated any privilege they ever thought was theirs to call it "their
> land."
>
> It is no mere matter of logic, nor of morality, let alone of
> scriptural teaching, though it may be all those things, only
> secondarily. But first it is a law; the law of survival. You deny any
> man the sanctuary that will save his life, suddenly he has the right
> by virtue of saving his life to take what you will not give. For it is
> not your life he is after, but only a place to stand free of harm. He
> will demand that place. It is right for him so to do, it is his right
> so to do. Your claim to the land upon which you stand is lesser than
> the claim the other man has to the life in which he stands. You don't
> make land the greater value over life. You don't do that, and remain
> in the right. Do it, and what have you done to the value of your own
> life, let alone to any claim on a space of the earth to sustain it?
> The moment you devalue another life, you devalue all life, most
> especially your own, and all things pertaining to it.
> --
> JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com

If it was sanctuary they were looking for, then why not give them
Arizona? It would have been very safe, very secure and they could have
thrived there very well with out all the wars and other conflicts.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 1:03 pm
From: Just Me


On Nov 16, 7:05 am, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
<john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 3:30 am, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > It is no mere matter of logic, nor of morality, let alone of
> > scriptural teaching, though it may be all those things, only
> > secondarily. But first it is a law; the law of survival. You deny any
> > man the sanctuary that will save his life, suddenly he has the right
> > by virtue of saving his life to take what you will not give. For it is
> > not your life he is after, but only a place to stand free of harm. He
> > will demand that place. It is right for him so to do, it is his right
> > so to do. Your claim to the land upon which you stand is lesser than
> > the claim the other man has to the life in which he stands. You don't
> > make land the greater value over life. You don't do that, and remain
> > in the right. Do it, and what have you done to the value of your own
> > life, let alone to any claim on a space of the earth to sustain it?
> > The moment you devalue another life, you devalue all life, most
> > especially your own, and all things pertaining to it.
> > --
> > JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
>
> If it was sanctuary they were looking for, then why not give them
> Arizona? It would have been very safe, very secure and they could have
> thrived there very well with out all the wars and other conflicts.

What? It's not bad enough they should have to put up with the Hamas
and the Hezbollah? Without they should have to deal with militant
tribes of golf-club wielding Goldwater Republican Soccer Moms, let
alone the hordes of bald and blue-haired Snowbirds from Minnesota and
Wisconsin? Talk about going from the frying pan into the fire. You
must REALLY hate the Jews.

And since when were there any tramp freighters booking out of Black
Sea ports for passage to the Sea of Cortez and hence by steamboat to
Yuma? You never heard concerning the fate of those on the Steamship
St. Louis who had tried it . . .

http://history1900s.about.com/od/holocaust/a/stlouis.htm

Yuma -- Havana or Miami, what's the difference? The facts were the
same . . .

"By 1939, not only were visas needed to be able to enter another
country but money was also needed to leave Germany. Since many
countries, especially the United States, had immigration quotas, visas
were near impossible to acquire within the short time spans in which
they were needed. For many, the visas were acquired after it was too
late. The opportunity that the S.S. St. Louis presented seemed like a
last hope to escape . . ."

You are suggesting maybe that the prehistoric cliff dwellings of the
Arizona Anasazi are from one or maybe two of the Lost Ten Tribes of
Israel? That this should result in providing to Jews a foregone and
rightful claim? Join with the many of Salt Lake City and Provo and the
Bonneville Salt Flats who would be inclined to agree with you and
Joesph Smith on that.

Or consider carefully this: Those 18,000 who made the passage, made
it to Eretz Israel of Palestine, and to Jerusalem, not to Arizona
where there is no Jerusalem. Let the British who are dispersed on
business around the world think of returning home to an England where
there is no London, or the French to a France where there is no Paris,
then you may speak to Jews of going to a land where there is no
Jerusalem. That is not a wall of the Herodian Temple which you may
find there today in Arizona, it is London Bridge. You want that the
Jews should return to London Bridge in Arizona, so that you may fool
them to think it is "Jerusalem"? Can you fool them do you think?

But had you given a proper depth of thought to the matters outlined
here, you would not have the heart to devise such an insult for a
suggestion. YOU should pack a suitcase and go to London Bridge in
Arizona, fall to your knees, write a little "Hail Mary" on a scrap of
paper, shove it between the stones into the face of a rattlesnake and
see if there is a Polish Jesus to forgive you.
--
JM http://whosenose.blogspot.com
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 2:28 pm
From: "Fish Supper"

"Just Me" <jpdm45@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a35e029f-80d1-4d13-803c-73230d8e9738@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 16, 7:05 am, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
<john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 3:30 am, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:


Or consider carefully this: Those 18,000 who made the passage, made
it to Eretz Israel of Palestine, and to Jerusalem, not to Arizona
where there is no Jerusalem. Let the British who are dispersed on
business around the world think of returning home to an England where
there is no London, or the French to a France where there is no Paris,
then you may speak to Jews of going to a land where there is no
Jerusalem. That is not a wall of the Herodian Temple which you may
find there today in Arizona, it is London Bridge. You want that the
Jews should return to London Bridge in Arizona, so that you may fool
them to think it is "Jerusalem"? Can you fool them do you think?

***

A facile analogy.

Here's a more accurate one.

Imagine the Celtic peoples of Ireland, Scotland and Wales decided that
they'd had enough of rain and cold summers and decided to return to where
they used to be 2000 years ago - and then moved over into Austria a few at a
time until there was a sizable minority. When they felt bold enough they
then massacred the indigenous people and forced them to flee to Switzerland,
Hungary and Germany. Those few who complained to much or tried to fight to
get their property back, well we'll just collect them in a small place,
maybe Liechtenstein and bomb them from the air if they get too uppity.

Now, after we've gone to all this trouble to restore Austria to its rightful
place as the celtic homeland can we be expected to imagine our new territory
without Vienna?

Now, your Austrian might say, it doesn't matter what we imagine, Austria
doesn't belong to us Celts and Vienna isn't a Celtic city.

But we know the truth because we were there first, thousands of years ago.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 9:38 pm
From: Just Me


On Nov 16, 4:06 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
<john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 4:03 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Or consider carefully this:  Those 18,000 who made the passage, made
> it to Eretz Israel of Palestine, and to Jerusalem, not to Arizona
> where there is no Jerusalem.  Let the British who are dispersed on
> business around the world think of returning home to an England where
> there is no London, or the French to a France where there is no Paris,
> then you may speak to Jews of going to a land where there is no
> Jerusalem. That is not a wall of the Herodian Temple which you may
> find there today in Arizona, it is London Bridge. You want that the
> Jews should return to London Bridge in Arizona, so that you may fool
> them to think it is "Jerusalem"? Can you fool them do you think? "
>
> How can you possibly return to a place you have never been?

One way only. By fateful force of History. By 2,000 years of Tradition
in something you have no eyes in your heart to see, nor the blood in
your heart to feel.

> Not one of
> those 18,000 were born on the south Med, or their mothers or their
> grand mothers or theitr grandmother's grandmothers.

And so you are one of those who say, "lay down in the gas because your
Jewish life is worth nothing compared to a clod of dirt claimed for a
possession in the fist of the other man." Yeah, I see where you
coming from. And this is what I've had to say of the way you think,
this time with just a little less tact, as you've more than got
coming, if by any chance that should help get the point hammered in to
your Undead Commie/Zombie head, and your LibProg goddam bloodless
vampire's heart . . .

Now there are those who hold to the opinion that Jews had no business
emigrating to Palestine at all in the first place, and this just goes
to show how "illegal" the whole thing was right from the beginning,
when there was NOTHING left for Jews but to be boarding those leaky
tramp freighters chartered by the Zionist Haganah from ports on the
Black Sea to run the British blockade. Yes, indeed it was totally
ILLEGAL for a poor, doomed European Jew from 1939 onward to save his
own life. It had become a settled matter of international law that it
was now illegal for a Jew of Europe to live.

For the average European middle and working class Jew, let alone all
bourgeois Jews who'd had everything the Nazis could lay hands on
confiscated; for this majority of Jews who were being told by the rest
of the world to lay down in the gas and breathe their last, there were
a few Zionists among them saying right back to all the world, "Kiss My
Sweet Jewish Ass! You go lie in the gas. I will live! And fuck your
face till all Hell freeze over Goy Jack." :-)

Yes. And what's more, "If those Arabs of Palestine don't like it?
Well, let me tell you something: ain't that just too damn bad that my
need to stay alive makes him feel all invaded and everything? Ha-Ha!!
I don't care. Read my lips! You don't like it? You shut up. And you
stay shut up. My life matters to me. It matters not to you. So, you
got nothing to say about it, because nobody's chasing your stingy Arab/
Goy buns around with a Nazi Gas Van. So fuck you, and just shut up,
move over and make room. Oh no? Then it's you who will be in the blood
soup, Baby. You just find out. No. This is the land of MY ancient
fathers and mothers, and since you don't like it, and will lie your
ass off day and night to deny it, this is the day for you to change
your mind, or . . . see what your killer hate and lack of heart gets
for you and yours tenfold over what it brings to me and mine, for is
it not written by your own Holy Jewish Messiah, "He who lives by the
sword dies by the sword"?

It would have been nice, had the Arabs been courteous about the whole
thing. Had they so done, there would have been room enough for all, in
peace and prosperity. But they had no heart for any but their own.
Their miserly, selfish, uncharitable, bigoted way of behaving from day
one, with their constant outrages of bloody depredations? It only
forced Israel's hand to declare Eretz Israel in Palestine a state
independent of the Arabs in the land--an absolutely necessary act of
survival is Israel, and make no mistake about it.

For those who say there is no connection between Israel with its
18,000 blockade running, Palestine bound, Black Sea Jews--and the
Holocaust? Nothing on earth could be a greater falsification of
History. Obviously. There is no more parsing a distinction between
Jews and Israelis, than between Jews and the Holocaust, the Holocaust
and Israel. Those were 18,000 fighting mad, proud to be alive, Jews,
baby. Jews who would survive AT ALL COSTS, as any fully human person
with a heart, will do.

People on this earth do what they must to survive. Nothing less can be
expected of anyone. To say otherwise is the lowest moral depravity
known to man. And it doesn't matter what they say, because those who
know, do know it is not only a right to survive but it IS right to
survive; always right to survive and always wrong to stand in the way
of another man's survival. Those who do not know that will very sadly
learn the hard way how wrong that is. And if they will wrongly fight,
wrongly supposing that they save their land from a man who would come
seeking sanctuary there--do you know what? They have, by that,
violated any privilege they ever thought was theirs to call it "their
land."

It is no mere matter of logic, nor of morality, let alone of
scriptural teaching, though it may be all those things, only
secondarily. But first it is a law; the law of survival. You deny any
man the sanctuary that will save his life, suddenly he has the right
by virtue of saving his life to take what you will not give. For it is
not your life he is after, but only a place to stand free of harm. He
will demand that place. It is right for him so to do, it is his right
so to do. Your claim to the land upon which you stand is lesser than
the claim the other man has to the life in which he stands. You don't
make land the greater value over life. You don't do that, and remain
in the right. Do it, and what have you done to the value of your own
life, let alone to any claim on a space of the earth to sustain it?
The moment you devalue another life, you devalue all life, most
especially your own, and all things pertaining to it.
--
JM http://whosenose.blogspot.com
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com

>
> That would make as much sense as me packing up and ging to Poland and
> saying you must give me this land because I am of Polish parents . . .

No. God only knows how you can keep bringing it back to that. So all
of this as always is once again wasted on you. Here you have seen how
that in the end there was but one avenue escape left open to an
escaping Jew and that was by the sea lane that led from a Black Sea
port to Haifa in Palestine. And here you are saying that if a Jew had
any morality at all, he would walk willingly into Hitler's gas chamber
rather than take passage on that ship to Palestine.

This IS what you and your Fish Brother are saying, is it not?

> thus
> this is my home, and thanks I'll take your appartment too you stinky
> Russian.  Infact I would have a better claim by direct birthright than
> any of those 18,000, as I still have family  there who were there
> before the war.
>
> The argument makes no sense.

Of that 18,000 you have no place to speak. May the Holy Jewish Virgin
Mary herself wash your mouth out with soap!

Following upon that day, all the greater Reich had become for Jews
nothing except an annex to Auschwitz, into which there would have come
no gleam of hope at all, save for just one, last, scarce ray that
since 1939 had been beaming from the Black Sea port of Constanza in
Romania, through Hungary to Austria, from its original source of light
in Eretz Israel of Jewish Palestine, come of a beacon of one faint,
distant call to life, known as "Aliya Bet."

The Israeli Mossad began its life to do battle against the British
White Paper of 1939 put into place at that time of all times, to
severely limit Jewish immigration to Palestine. In its infancy, this
"Mossad l'Aliya Bet," was specifically what might quite rightly be
called the "Illegal Immigration Service" of Eretz Israel, formed to a
single, albeit two-pronged purpose: 1) to defy the British White
Paper, 2) by rescuing Jewish refugees from the Nazi extermination
machine.

Aliya Bet (Mossad) was headed by Shaul Avigur, founder of
"Shai" (Sherut Yed 'ot) the intelligence service of the Haganah, as
also he was head of counter intelligence, Resh Nun - Rigul Negdi, "and
Ta'as - the clandestine defense industry that later became the Israel
defense industry. He was active in the fight against the British White
Paper of 1939 and then served as head of the illegal immigration
authority, the Mossad l'Aliya Bet, which operated to help Jews escape
from Nazi-occupied Europe. He was also active in organizing
clandestine arms purchases."

http://www.zionism-israel.com/bio/Avigur_biography.htm
--
JM http://whosenose.blogspot.com
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com

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TOPIC: Franz Neumann on Carl Schmitt
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/448beaac281290a1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 6:10 am
From: "Marko Amnell"

"The Other" <other@address.invalid> wrote in message
lypr7nkct0.fsf@circe.aeaea...

> I read Schmitt in particular (and also Hobbes) because I'm
> fascinated by the political situation of the State of Israel.

It looks like you're not the only person in Israel
who is reading Hobbes...

"_Leviathan_ is arguably the most influential work of Western
political thought, and one of the most analyzed. Yet the
first full Hebrew translation of Thomas's Hobbes's work
was only published last month."

http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/hobbes-in-hebrew-the-religion-question/?ref=global-home

http://tinyurl.com/ygteypm


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TOPIC: Even more hyperbolic than Tom Stoppard?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/d29b7fd267a77eeb?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 6:50 am
From: "Marko Amnell"

"THE QUEEN: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern formed such
a cute isometric pair! One did exactly the same as the other.
They were indistinguishable. No wonder they found a
good isometry!"

...from the play "Hamlet and Pfister forms (A tragedy
in four acts)" by Jan Minac (submitted on 13 Nov 2009)

http://arxiv.org/abs/0911.2529

Don't quit your day job Jan.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 9:35 am
From: Stratum101


On Nov 16, 8:50 am, "Marko Amnell" <marko.amn...@kolumbus.fi> wrote:
> "THE QUEEN: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern formed such
> a cute isometric pair! One did exactly the same as the other.
> They were indistinguishable. No wonder they found a
> good isometry!"
>
> ...from the play "Hamlet and Pfister forms (A tragedy
> in four acts)" by Jan Minac (submitted on 13 Nov 2009)
>
> http://arxiv.org/abs/0911.2529
>
> Don't quit your day job Jan.

On Nov 16, 8:50 am, "Marko Amnell" <marko.amn...@kolumbus.fi> wrote:
> "THE QUEEN: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern formed such
> a cute isometric pair! One did exactly the same as the other.
> They were indistinguishable. No wonder they found a
> good isometry!"
>
> ...from the play "Hamlet and Pfister forms (A tragedy
> in four acts)" by Jan Minac (submitted on 13 Nov 2009)
>
> http://arxiv.org/abs/0911.2529
>
> Don't quit your day job Jan.

Sounds cute. I read Stoppard's Rosencrantz and
Guilderstern Are Dead, a play which I think is better
read than watched. The play works at all because
the characters are more confused than the audience!

I saw the reference to Pfister forms, yet another
damned number theory polynomial set, but
I haven't worked out the connection between R & G
and Pfister, except I presume it involves
the two Shakespeare characters as shadow copies
of each other.

Explain, please.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 11:54 am
From: "Marko Amnell"

"Stratum101" <j.collier@cross-comp.com> wrote in message
96f717f2-47a2-4417-98ed-61e944f7bc75@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...

>On Nov 16, 8:50 am, "Marko Amnell" <marko.amn...@kolumbus.fi> wrote:
>> "THE QUEEN: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern formed such
>> a cute isometric pair! One did exactly the same as the other.
>> They were indistinguishable. No wonder they found a
>> good isometry!"
>>
>> ...from the play "Hamlet and Pfister forms (A tragedy
>> in four acts)" by Jan Minac (submitted on 13 Nov 2009)
>>
>> http://arxiv.org/abs/0911.2529
>>
>> Don't quit your day job Jan.
>
> Sounds cute. I read Stoppard's Rosencrantz and
> Guilderstern Are Dead, a play which I think is better
> read than watched. The play works at all because
> the characters are more confused than the audience!
>
> I saw the reference to Pfister forms, yet another
> damned number theory polynomial set, but
> I haven't worked out the connection between R & G
> and Pfister, except I presume it involves
> the two Shakespeare characters as shadow copies
> of each other.
>
> Explain, please.

I have no idea. It's just something I noticed today while
browsing through the new preprints in the number theory
section of the arXiv, something I do from time to time.

I have found some interesting articles about the Riemann
zeta function there recently, which I discussed in
sci.math. For example, the Polish physicist
Marek Wolf reported on a computer experiment which
involved a failed attempt to disprove the famous
Riemann Hypothesis. Here is the thread, archived
in The Math Forum:

http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?messageID=6865688&tstart=0

I have never seen Stoppard's play performed on the stage,
but I did see the 1990 film adaptation, directed by
Stoppard himself.

I may read Jan Minac's play later. I just browsed through
it and that quote stood out. I don't know if there is any
connection to Stoppard's play but there are mathematical
elements in "Rosencrantz and Guilderstern Are Dead."
For example:

"In the beginning of Act One, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern
bet on coin flips and Rosencrantz wins with heads
ninety-two times in a row."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosencrantz_and_Guildenstern_Are_Dead


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TOPIC: "In Cold Blood" - the Clutter murders, 50 years later
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/bf772fd1e7a9a6aa?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 8:26 am
From: atc


(Guardian.co.uk) - Fifty years ago, Holcomb, Kansas was
devastated by the slaughter of a local family. And then
Truman Capote arrived in town . . .

Continued: http://tr.im/InColdBlood

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 12:11 pm
From: "\"the better Slobodan\""


On Nov 16, 10:26 am, atc <remai...@reece.net.au> wrote:
> (Guardian.co.uk) - Fifty years ago, Holcomb, Kansas was
> devastated by the slaughter of a local family. And then
> Truman Capote arrived in town . . .
>
> Continued:http://tr.im/InColdBlood

+
If it makes you feel better, Capote never wrote again after COLD
BLOOD.
He started drinking again and eventually died of liver complications.

Magic Dan Milosevic

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TOPIC: Poetry and Philsophy
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/12e1c58325955554?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 2:53 pm
From: "Arindam Banerjee"

"Arindam Banerjee" <adda1234@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:5cc9e96b-4011-4b24-8dba-2b2972d48dd3@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 15, 9:10 am, ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 11:12 pm, "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > "bak yim sing" <b...@bys.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:4AFDB32D.8DC8054C@bys.com...
>
> > > Mr Lee, read the Hindu Bible - Bhagavad Gita. Hindus can
> > > do good and achieve much without much material incentives.
> > > It is their dharma (sacred duties) to do it not the fruits of
> > > action
>
> > > The book is only about 70-80 pages. Not a difficult read
> > > but full of Hindu philosophies.
>
> > The Gita is only a small narration in one of the kandas (sections) of
> > the
> > epic Mahabharata. While it has many sound literary and philosophical
> > merits, it is not regarded in scriptural terms, for it lacks the
> > necessary
> > quality of being beyond the scope of time, as it is confined to a
> > particular
> > group in a particular age.
>
> In physics, time, as denote by t, is characterized by the B series.
> Physics is
> beyond time and age.

The (correct) understanding of physics very much within time and
place. Physics is a particular kind of philosophy.

Metaphysics, or philosophy is, never beyond the
> scope of
> time.

Metaphysics is not philosophy; it is the source and direction of
philosophy. Metaphysics by definition is beyond the scope of time and
everyday knowledge, for it is both the source and direction underlying
all comprehension. There could be various different metaphysics,
relating to various social groups. Some are more developed, some are
less developed. Some are more dominant, others that could be more
refined are latent. Metaphysics relates to revelation from Divine
Grace; only the Poet has genuine access to Metaphysics.

Philosophy is simply the love of knowledge and the wisdom resulting
from same, and a philosopher is he who can express that as coherently
as possible.

Cheers,

Arindam Banerjee.

AB: To add to what I wrote, from a Poet who presents a certain metaphysics,
there will be a number of philosophers derived, each who understands the
metaphysics in terms of acceptance, negation, or a balance of both. Thus
from Homer the West had the Greek philosophers who till Socrates accepted
the metaphysics underlying Hellenic paganism; from Dante the West had (till
Nietzsche) the Christian philosophers who followed the metaphysics
underlying Jewish monotheism that for one-upmanship over paganism stressed
literacy and literalism; and from Kalidas we still retain the metaphysics
underlying the only remaining polytheism in the world, namely, the Sanatana
Dharma. Of course, the corresponding religions existed before Homer, Dante
and Kalidas - but then, the Great Poet relates to metaphysics, which is
beyond the scope of time...

May be Hinduism's effort to go beyond the scope of time gives
> rise to the
> problem described by the article in the beginning post. Hinduism is
> like a video
> game with infinite levels. Theoretically, one can play the same game
> until kingdom
> comes. However, not many wants to do that.
>
>
>
> > The Puranas and the Vedas/Vedantas have
> > scriptural quality. The Gita is important as aspects from the Puranas
> > and
> > the Vedas/Vedantas are found in this primarily literary and historical
> > work.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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TOPIC: Do You Believe in Free Willie? A Note for the King of Texas
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 9:51 pm
From: Hal Womack 3-dan


Mo' fo' Willie:

Today marks the 20th anniversary of C.I.A. aka Papa Bush murdering 15
year-old Celina Ramos*

* http://tinyurl.com/yjneks3

together with her mother Elba the cook; also the Rev.Ignacio Ellacuria
SJ, who was the rector of the Central American University in San
Salvador, together with 5 of his leading professors. Bush's underboss
for this hit was his puppet President Alfredo Cristiani. George &
Alfredo were pissed because the learned Jesuits had exposed in
scholarly language the atrocities being committed by the C.I.A. puppet
army against the people of El Salvador. So they sent a hit squad
trained at the U.S. Army's notorious "School of the Americas" to kill
the priests. And the witnesses. Afterwards George had Alfredo to the
White House, where he posed with his arm around the puppet's shoulder.

http://tinyurl.com/yhubqup

Part of King George's motivation in invading Panama a month later in
Operation "Just Cause" was to take away the media focus on the
slaughter of the prominent Jesuits. A second motive was to frighten
the revolutionary Nicaraguans, who had an important national election
impending.

With the encouragement of a famous busker friend, I wrote a song about
Celina's death very shortly afterward.

I took the tune from the most popular soldiers' song of our American
Civil War, "All Quiet Along the Potomac Tonight". Here's a YouTube
performance thereof by the 97th regimental string band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dVMpRfiD0s

Celina's song can pretty much wear the same jacket, as it were.

He're the lyrics:

CELINA'S SONG
(1989)

All quiet within the cathedral tonight,
Except here and there a stray witness
Is shot as she hides at the back of the hall
By a murder squad hot on its business.
'Tis nothing, a servant or so now and then
Will scarce count in the news on the telly,
Not an ad_visor lost, only two more of them
With their brains on the floor like plum jelly.
All quiet within the cathedral tonight.

Nigh in the sky o'er the shanties below
The rockets and gatlings are firing;
So we wage war 'gainst El Salvador
With the traitors and puppets we're hiring.
The Washington crowd with their trinkets so proud,
Who think they are being quite clever,
As they lie and they kill in the name of our will
Are shaming our country forever.
All quiet within the cathedral tonight.

Hark to the sound of the President's voice
As he praises his pal, Cristiani;
Hello, my friends, will you give me the choice,
I say, Hang them both, please, from a high tree!
Will we begin our task hard and grim
Guided by memories tender of the children and wives
Who have paid with their lives
For our trust in this monstrous pretender?
All quiet within the cathedral tonight.

Lying there still on the dark, stone cold floor:
The remains of the mother and daughter.
Sleep lightly tonight as you dream of the scene,
For your taxes have gone to their slaughter!
All quiet within the cathedral tonight,
What sound save the candles' soft flicker
And the scur of the rats as they gather around
While the red sticky pools grow thicker?
All quiet within the cathedral tonight.

[end of song]

Way back when, Willie's lawyer in Connecticut sent the hard copy of
this song back to unopened. Essentially the same story with all the
other _soi disant_ radical & outlaw singers of both sexes. Pete Seeger
brushed me off with a bum referral.

Almudena Bernabeu, la abogada del caso contra Alfredo Cristiani:
http://tinyurl.com/yf3cz3o

=======================

A Lyrical Touch-up:

Last night there came the strangest thing
I'd ever seen before:
I dreamt the world had all agreed
To put an end to war.

I dreamt there stood a palace grand,
'Twas filled with mighty men;
The treaty they were drafting swore
They'd never fight again.

Then when the papers were all signed
And a million copies made,
We joined our hands and bowed our heads
While heartfelt thanks were prayed.

And the people in the streets below
Were dancing 'round and 'round
As guns and clubs and uniforms
Lay littered on the ground.

Last night there came the strangest thing
I'd ever seen before:
I dreamt the world had all agreed
To put an end to war.
----------------------------------------------------------

Here's the late John Denver on YouTube singing the original version at
a big pro-Vietnam peace rally in D.C. in 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBcwAJZGXsk

By me, the video adds a lot to the rendition (in the pre-Bush sense of
the word, of course).

Original Text:

Last Night I Had The Strangest Dream
words and music by Ed McCurdy

Last night I had the strangest dream
I'd ever dreamed before
I dreamed the world had all agreed
To put an end to war

I dreamed I saw a mighty room
Filled with women and men
And the paper they were signing said
They'd never fight again

And when the paper was all signed
And a million copies made
They all joined hands and bowed their heads
And grateful pray'rs were prayed

And the people in the streets below
Were dancing 'round and 'round
While swords and guns and uniforms
Were scattered on the ground

Last night I had the strangest dream
I'd never dreamed before
I dreamed the world had all agreed
To put an end to war.

TRO-©1950,1951 & 1955 Almanac Music, Inc.
New York, N.Y. Copyrights renewed
http://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/strangest-dream.shtml
-------------------------

As posted to:

Newsgroups: alt.politics, soc.culture.usa, soc.culture.mexican,
soc.culture.el-salvador, talk.politics.mideast
From: Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:52:08 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 16 2009 12:52 pm
Subject: Remembering the Murder of a Maiden by a U.S. President

END OF NEW MATERIAL

==============================

On Nov 4, 4:15 am, Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By HalWomack3-danhttp://www.myspace.com/halwomackhttp://tinyurl.com/8fp6zw
>
> I am just finishing the most important story ever written about a
> white Texanne*, namely, the fickle (by Chinese standards)
> but adventurous Stephanie Ryder of Dallas aka Mrs. Jen Yong** aka Lai
> Spring Snow of Shanghai, the heroine of HanSuyin'snovel TILL MORNING
> COMES (1982).
>
> The many-splendored author***, age 92, lives in Lausanne,
> Switzerland.
>
> Cutting to the chase, I pray you, Gentle Reader, to consider the
> question: Should Willie Nelson, himself 76 years old, fly to Lausanne
> in order to serenade Elisabeth beneath her balcony? Now currently
> during the romantic hours there the air temperature is getting down to
> 26 degrees F, so would Willie be able to hold his pick?
>
> {She flew back to Dallas. And felt both triumphant and ashamed. She
> would fight. With money. Because she could do a great deal with the
> salve of money. Money really did change many things, in many ways. She
> would use money.}
> p.427. The scene takes place in the late 'Fifties.
>
> In 1952 my mother, Margaret HarrisWomack, founded "Womanpower for
> Eisenhower", a statewide group which helped carry Texas for the
> Republican Party for the first time since Reconstruction. In 1956 with
> my two younger brothers, I sang one of Ma's political ditties on a
> temporary stage on a red brick street in downtown Fort Worth in the
> company of Vice-president Richard Nixon during his campaign for
> reelection.
> In 1962 I graduated from the honors program of Jesuit High School in
> Dallas and in 1966 in philosophy from the U in Austin. Around 1976 I
> hitchhiked from Houston to San Diego and ever since have made my home
> in California. Could there truly have been a real-life model for
> Stephanie Ryder, hereditary oil baroness & mogul of war-plane
> manufacture, who had a profound understanding of both revolutionary
> China and of U.S. imperialism? Without me having heard of her at all
> until half a century later in a work of fiction? The world author
> seems to be calling into question the hitherto well-established
> proposition that all Texas billionaires are stupid sonsabitches a la
> los Bushez. (I do remember a young China scholar at Columbia U in the
> late 'Sixties who was from a Texas money family, but intellectually he
> seemed to be merely a member of the C.I.A.--Ivy League herd.) In the
> next three chapters, will young Steph get herself assassinated? Given
> the depth, originality and veracity of the story WRT China, 'tis hard
> to believe that Madame Han concocted the Dallas end of it purely out
> of whimsy & thin air.
>
> Moreover, the dollar quote above seems to be pointing straight at the
> moral of Ralph Nader's new fat chimera
> ONLY THE SUPERRICH CAN SAVE US!
> Nader's proposition obstinately disregards all the relevant national
> precedents of successful revolutions in China, Vietnam, Cuba, South
> Africa, Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Paraguay. But critique of this
> important issue can wait until a later day.
>
> ------------------------------------
> * In the solitude of my word processor, for a momentito I wondered
> whether this feminine form might be a new coinage, but brief was that
> vain hope:
> {Results 1 - 10 of about 192,000 for Texanne.} From Google Web Page
> search.
>
> ** The character's married name given Chinese style, i.e, with family
> name first. (Does our human race adopt this fashion, then looking up
> authors in the library will be simplified thereby.)
>
> *** In 1974 HanSuyin"was the featured speaker at the founding
> national convention of the US China Peoples Friendship Association in
> Los Angeles" --WIKI.
> The reader will recall that President Richard Nixon made his
> stupendous trip to China in 1972.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nixon_Mao_1972-02-29.png
>
> "Born on September 12th, 1917 in Sinyang, the province of Henan,
> China, HanSuyinis the pen name of an outstanding contemporary
> novelist of Belgian and Chinese origin. Born Chou Kuanghu (the Moon
> Guest) vee Elisabeth Rosalie Matthilde Clare Chou, Han's present
> official name is Dr. Elisabeth Comber."http://voices.cla.umn.edu/artistpages/suyinHan.php
> ......................................
>
> (#4.)
> {Winter Treasure [Stephanie's twelve year old son --HW] had served the
> tea with perfect grace, but he had drunk none himself. "He drinks only
> boiled water," said Mother [in-law].
>
> "I am proud of my son," said Jen Yong. "He is idealistic. As are all
> the young."
>
>         "But when the bubble bursts, then the young become bitter," said
> Mother.
>
> Yong was tonue-tied in front of his son. His son who looked at him,
> looked with an exact measuring eye, unmisted by either love or
> dislike.
>
> What went on inside of him?} p.442.
>
> END OF NEW MATERIAL
>
> ================================
>
> My Hot Lynx:
>
> 1.) Leadbelly Picks Cotton (1945)http://tinyurl.com/7cnuw8
>
> 'Cause Texas sho'nuff needs all the help She can get.
> Louisiana to her aid!
>
> "If Americans Knew" -- Pro journalist Alison Weir's basic Website on
> Palestine:http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
>
> The Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of
> Israel (PACBI),http://www.pacbi.org/
>
> A.) On Thursday, the 8th of June 1967, Jews murder 34 US sailors in
> order to show Pentagon brass who's running the show after the ride
> through Dealey Plaza fours years before:http://www.ussliberty.org/
>
> The picture of eight year-old Akaber Zaidhttp://tinyurl.com/yqd75d
> and the story from the then leading writer HA'ARETZ of her murder by
> the Guess Whoose:http://www.counterpunch.org/levy03272006.html
>
> ***Beethoven Appassionata Op 57 Mov 3 Valentina Lisitsahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o3eiEHmJUA
>
> World Heroines of the Third Millennium AD:
> N.B. the entry for Hanadi Tayseer Jaradathttp://www.aztlan.net/women_martyrs.htm
>
> Abir Aramin, age 9, murdered by the Jews*
> on Tuesday, January 16, 2007, her picture:http://tinyurl.com/2l6ogh
> An Israeli mother, a Jewess, comments on the story:http://tinyurl.com/3amvos
>
> * (For a discussion of the precise use of this critical term, please
> see at bottom Appendix 1.)
>
> Iman al-Hams, age 13, STDJ [= "Shot To Death by Jews"]
> on 5 October 2004 in Rafah in Gaza.http://tinyurl.com/dehqxu= vixpic
>
> October 25, 2004
> The Killing of Iman al-Hams
> Executing Another Child in Rafah
> By OMAR BARGHOUTIhttp://www.counterpunch.org/barghouti10252004.html
>
> WIKI: "Subsequent to his acquittal, Captain R., was promoted to the
> rank of major. In March 2006, he received 82,000 New Israel Shekels
> (roughly $17,000) to compensate him for his defense expenditures and
> time spent in jail.Captain R. also filed a libel suit against Dayan
> and Channel 2."
>
> Chopin Piano Sonata No.2 Op.35 - Marche Funèbre, Valentina Igoshinahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4da5zExuk8
>
> **** B.) Flying Trapeze Aerial Voltigehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPWJc8sLhjo
> The more often one watches the greatest 4'21" of human high jinks ever
> on tape, the bester it gets. Flow ye tears of joy, the sheriff said.
>
> http://peyote.com/gardening-pictures/peyote.jpg
> Hero of the Twentieth Century:http://tinyurl.com/3dlhhb
>
> Bob Marley - Redemption Songhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yXRGdZdonM
> - no woman no cryhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg2n039txnk
>
> Chopin - Valentina Igoshina - Polonaise in A Flat 'Heroique'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74fk9BTv5U
>
> "What A Wonderful World!" -- Louis Armstronghttp://tinyurl.com/2f2ls7
>
> Nadine Fernández dances:
> A) Tribal Fusionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLhabHB52Bg
> B) Samba-Oriental with Drum Solohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPNc1ywgbkU
>
> .........................................................................
>
> Jesus Christ - Woody Guthriehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDS00Pnhkqk
>
> {1 John 4 (King James Version):
>
> 20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for
> he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God
> whom he hath not seen?
>
>  21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love
> his brother also.}http://www.biblegateway.com/
>
> "Who is your God?" Song video by Desert Rose; recommended by Cynthia
> McKinney, with only 116 YouTube views as of 091015 but good for
> clearing the sinuses:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H99mzLiBenw
> .........................................................................
>
> Jimmy Rodgers: Kisses sweeter than winehttp://tinyurl.com/ls38fn
>
> Honeycomb (1965)http://tinyurl.com/oycwd6
> .............................................................
>
> Calabi-Yau manifold =http://members.wri.com/jeffb/visualization/calabi-spin.gif
> ......................................................................
>
> Elvis Presley Jailhouse Rock 1957 colourhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpzV_0l5ILI
>
> Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles living for the cityhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJYUSdX-Rps
> (so much for the numbers)
>
> 2.) Capoeira Sambahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mf_PTB8juc
>
> 3.) Mahalia Jackson sings Gospel:
> "Joshua Fit de Battle of Jericho"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGkXB_unAW4&NR=1
> "Go Tell It On the Mountain"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACOnUyfUXdQ
>
> 4.) Kali Dancehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgOmm1AglUc&NR=1
>
> 5.) Get Your Kix With Pelehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QEmnP48PEc
>
> 6.) Old Folks' Music:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gsqBEPSrd0
> Live Berlin version =http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skYfPirQHbY
>
> 7.) Five Minutes With Fernando Botero @ Abu Ghraibhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoleMx-sxqQ
>
> 8.) Tahitian Dance -- Corinnehttp://tinyurl.com/7mmlg8
>
> 9.) Joe Biden, "I am a Zionist."http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmD0G2iASk0
>
> 10.) Today In Palestine, compiled by Shadi Fadda & Co:www.theheadlines.org
>
> 11.) Paul Robeson Sings "Old Man River"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh9WayN7R-s
>
> 12.) Martial Law USA?
> 9.5' video from Global Researchhttp://tinyurl.com/629yoh
>
> 13.) Danca Brasil Samba Showhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THk5GB3JYG4
>
> 14.) 4 IRANIAN NEWS SOURCES:http://www.tehrantimes.com/http://www2.irna.ir/en/http://www.parstimes.com/media/iran/http://www.presstv.ir/default.aspx
>
> 15.) Ladysmith Black Mambazo does "Homeless"http://tinyurl.com/5oo359
>
> 16.) Street Drummer:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjyQkrE8Mok&NR=1
> --orhttp://tinyurl.com/6zmp5r
>
> 17.) African Choralhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSl4w1ilw8s
>
> 18.) LONG KISS GOODNIGHT [movie 1996]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116908/
>
> 19.) "Amazing Grace" sung in Cherokee on You Tube:http://tinyurl.com/6r7snl               ORhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvYIjFtPQEk
>
> 20.) _Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand
> Years_ (1994) by Israel Shahakhttp://tinyurl.com/8gaoac
>
> 21.) Six Brazilian Chorus Girlshttp://tinyurl.com/8wyey8
>
> 22.) The late George Carlin sings Ron Paul:http://tinyurl.com/2lzxdt
>
> 23.) The 9/11 Lie (video):http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/333.html
>
> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h3P7POHnJc
>
> 24.) "Under the Boardwalk" (1964) by The Drifters.http://tinyurl.com/6nby9x
>
> 25.) "Sittin' On the Dock of the Bay" by Otis Redding.
> {"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by WMG" --
> YouTube.}
>
> 26.) Kobe Bryant in action:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeXZY4eVLlo
>
> 28.)http://www.rafahtoday.org/
> ................................................
>
> 30.) Here's the link to what I wrote on the eve of SonnaBush's
> (fronting for Aerial Shaboom) invasion of Iraq:http://tinyurl.com/2xcvdo
>
> (The tag end of the piece was stuck on rather roughly by the HANDSTAND
> editor & could profit from a bit of pruning.)
>
> If any reader can find another article from that critical moment which
> has better stood the test of time, will she please be so kind as to
> tell me about it?
> ...........................................................................
>
> 31.) February 7, 2008
> "It's the Real Thing:
> Hugo Chávez's Coca"
>
> By NIKOLAS KOZLOFF
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ywjauf
> ............................................................
>
> http://tinyurl.com/coclre
> The New York Times
>
> March 14, 2009
> Op-Ed Contributor
>
> Let Me Chew My Coca Leaves
>
> By EVO MORALES AYMA
> La Paz, Bolivia
>
> ..................................................................
>
> 32.) For Susan Abulhawa's new novel of Palestine, SCAR OF DAVID (2006)http://tinyurl.com/2n77bo
> ...................................................................
>
> 33.)http://www.americanfreepress.net/
>
> FINAL JUDGMENT by Michael Collins Piper, first published in 1994 and
> now in its 6th edition, lays out the Jewish background to the JFK hit
> in >600 fascinating pages (which badly need editing, evenso --attn:
> M&W).
>
> (See the AFP site above also for the moving letter of 29 November 2006
> from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,
> President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, directly addressed to
> "Noble Americans" --maybe your local jewspaper forgot to pass it along
> to you?)
>
> On the AFP site linked above I just now (Tuesday 071211)
> found the following Michael More out-take from Sicko about a certain
> northern country:http://tinyurl.com/23zgxu
>
> 34.) The leading U.S. academic expert on foreign policy = the author
> James Petras, friend of Fidel Castro, of President
> Hugo Chavez and of FARC.http://petras.lahaine.org/
> _Zionism, Militarism and the Decline of US Power_ (Paperback)
> by James Petras
> .....................................................................
> 35.)
> Five Principal Joojingo or "JJ" resources:
> 1.  http://www.aipac.org/
> 2. The Bronfmen @http://www.acbp.net/
> 3.http://www.jinsa.org/
> 4.http://www.adl.org/
> 5.http://www.hasbara.co.il/
>
> Four Righteous Jewish Antidotes:
> 1.http://www.ostrovskyfineart.com/index.htm
> 2.http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm
> 3.http://www.israelshamir.net/
> 4.http://tinyurl.com/3c9jm8
> 5. Jascha Heifetz plays a) Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto: 1st mov.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFaq9kTlcaY
> [Film clip from the movie _Carnegie Hall_ (1947)http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039244/]
> b) Hora Staccatohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mag2mc5Vva0
> c) Rondo by Mozarthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVSgx7gKc_k
> d)  Richard Strauss "An eisamer Quelle" op.9 no.2
>    http://tinyurl.com/ygqlm2g
> ........................................................
>
> 36.) US Alliance Afghan Genocide -
> Six Million Excess Deaths?
>
> By Dr Gideon Polya
>
> 08 November, 2007 Countercurrents.org
>
> http://tinyurl.com/36ylq2
> ..........................................................................
>
> 37.) All rise,
> This clip was the first time I ever saw Marvin Gaye perform. The word
> in my mind = "composure".http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRvVzaQ6i8A
> (Has this cut been slightly sabotaged?)http://www.counterpunch.org/dolby04032007.html
> ..........................................................................
> 38.) Kidz Today:
> A) Iron Maiden The Trooper By Gauchoshttp://tinyurl.com/8mj8nx
> B) The Impeach Bush Club Paradehttp://tinyurl.com/88lnb9
> ...............................................................
>
> 39.) A valuable but erratic site:http://www.counterpunch.org/
>
> 40.) Flag of USrael:http://www.nogw.com/images/inminds.jpg
>
> 43.)http://www.jewwatch.com/
>
> 44.)http://www.zundelsite.org/
>
> Carl Orff: Carmina Buranahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEllLECo4OM
>
> 45.)http://margaritaville.com/
> [cartoon panel]http://tinyurl.com/2kyyc9
> .............................................
> 46.) "Culture of Life News":http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com/
>
> 49.)http://www.currentissues.tv/
>
> 50.) Excellent 1997 documentary showing Billary burning
> down American rainbow Protestants in their own Texas home:http://www.waco93.com/
>
> 51.) ("Nadine Eats Pizza in Ramallah")http://www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/Contributor47.htm
>
> 53.) Alan Pogue's Texas Center for Documentary Photographyhttp://www.documentaryphotographs.com/
> ................................................................
> 54.) Big avalanche ( O-nadare) Joseki (by Satoshi Yuki 9-dan
> Professional on Japanese TV)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIftm71MzTc&NR=1
> ..................................................http://vcnv.org/http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=1http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=491
> Bharatanatyam Bharatnatyam Indian dancehttp://tinyurl.com/5cl88n
> Paris Hilton answers McCain:http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6dhttp://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.htmlhttp://www.rense.com/1.imagesD/dbaby4.jpghttp://www.nelsonmandela.org/http://www.parnasse.com/gaia.jpghttp://www.sf911truth.org/http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.htmlhttp://www.aztlan.net/http://www.valleyofthewolvesiraq.com/high/main.htmlhttp://electronicintifada.net/new.shtmlhttp://dahrjamailiraq.com/index.phphttp://antiwar.com/http://www.veteransforpeace.org/http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/index.htmhttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/http://www.infowars.com/http://www.al-awda.org/http://www.imemc.org/http://www.vcnv.org/http://www.ziopedia.org/content/view/3301/58/http://www.cnionline.org/http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=http://www.honestmediatoday.com/index.htmhttp://prorev.com/indexa.htmhttp://www.deiryassin.org/index1.htmlhttp://www.marwenmedia.com/index.htmlhttp://english.aljazeera.net/HomePagehttp://www.vho.org/  = Germar Rudolphhttp://www.malaysiasun.com/http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
>
> Kathak in Varanasihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqfQsILe7AM
> (Wednesday '090311 -- I just found this latest addition
> to my Lynx above. Since the list is getting rather long, I will
> particularly appreciate any sincere suggestions from friendly readers
> on which items to toss.)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBPFvp750sc
> ("Let It Be!")
> Feline Fine (MHL):http://tinyurl.com/8xmwlt
>
> http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/
> Results 1 - 10 of about 1,150 for "free your mind, the rest will
> follow".
> ...................................................
> All sincere comments on this list are welcome; some links will blink
> out, necessitating updating, so will you please email me when you find
> one such? Last list (partial) review = Thursday 090813.
>
> Protocol: Top posting in follow-ups 'cause that way makes most sense
> to me
> and placing the reply at the bottom of the thread as it appears on my
> Google newsreader. BTW does some friendly expert want to recommend a
> better newsreader aka Usenet access tool,
> especially for posting, then I'm all ear.
>
> .....................................................................
> APPENDIX 1:
> Thus plain speech and accurate English, in the same sense that we have
> long been wont truly to say that in the 1930's
> the Japanese invaded China; on 22 June 1941, the Germans
> invaded Russia (then styled the USSR) and in later decades the
> Americans have attacked Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, the
> Dominican Republic, Lebanon, Nicaragua, Grenada,
> Panama, Serbia, Iraq and and Afghanistan (partial list), murdering
> more than ten million people in the last twenty years alone.
> Because of the long-noted peculiar nature of the distributed
> nationality of world Jewry,
> the ins & outs of this most grave accusation against them bear
> extended discussion so that we, the normal alias "gentile" rainbow
> righteous Seven Billion of Earth, may achieve a clear understanding of
> the character of the doomed tyranny --sometimes called, among other
> names,
> "JAT" for Jewish-American T.--   which presently oppresses us. Despite
> the opprobrium of the sister term "self-righteous",
> 'tis of the greatest importance IMHO for those who do stand for
> justice to develop a sense of self-awareness and a firm grasp of the
> vital distinction between ourselves vs. the imperial criminals,
> addicted as they are to waging aggressive war.
> Those last two fatal words mean mass murder, torture, industrial-
> strength lies aka "mainstream news media" and
> robbery on a planetary scale. Each of us should meditate regularly on
> individual cases of our choice --for example,
> those of the Rabbo girls in Gaza, of Iman al-Hams, of Akaber Zaid, of
> Abir Aramin and of Rachel Corrie-- in order to prepare ourselves for
> the intellectual exercise of multiplying by the necessary factor of
> millions
> the fate of any one given victim. Such preparation will provide us
> with the motive for constructing the essential hierarchy
> of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Earth.
> Many inspiring examples in history remind us that
> yagotta have somebody to beat anybody. We Americans (here to speak of
> my own nation) have the duty and the opportunity to learn from the
> successes of Presidents Hugo Chavez, Nelson Mandela, Mahmoud
> Ahmadinejad, Evo Morales, Rafael Correa, Fernando Lugo and Hizbullah
> Secretary-General
> Hassan Nasrallah, among others.
>
>         Will we learn to save time by using positive grammar to the max? Thus
> to transform a Jewish proverb, she who can endure the evil will live
> to see glory. Let our watchwords be: Save life! Live and let live.
> Friendly competition. Mercy* to all criminals, even the Bushez,
> Clintonz and Obama meaning, of course, that first we put them at our
> mercy.
> From dissent and protest to popular accord, from tail-chasing
> "activism" to vast vision to sound strategy to bold action to
> victory!
> {Results 1 - 10 of about 398,000 for German invasion of Russia.}
>
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>
>                            D21IL

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