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* My good old aggregator - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Forums Launched for Writers, Literary Agents, Reviewers and Readers - 2
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/e5e50df717d2147c?hl=en
* They'll love this in Fort Worth! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Big Trouble for Bibi - 14 messages, 4 authors
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* Franz Neumann on Carl Schmitt - 5 messages, 2 authors
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* "Sense and Sensibility and Sea Monsters" - hilarious book video - 1 messages,
1 author
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* Hannah Arendt's Wrinkled Cunt Rides Again - 1 messages, 1 author
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 11 2009 9:27 pm
From: Stratum101


News aggregators have it easy these
days. They subscribe to a few RSS
feeds, or a few thousand, and let 'er
rip and give the appearance of doing
all the work. Google does it. Arts &
Letters Daily does it. Even educated
fleas do it!

Here's one of A&LD's New Books entries
from Monday, a piece on the Wikipedia:

http://bostonreview.net/BR34.6/morozov.php

(The book under discussion is:
_The Wikipedia Revolution: How a Bunch of
Nobodies Created the World's Greatest Encyclopedia_
But as will be made clear, they were
no nobodies.)

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TOPIC: Forums Launched for Writers, Literary Agents, Reviewers and Readers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/e5e50df717d2147c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 12:16 am
From: Leadstart Publishing


Hi,

We are happy to announce that we have launched a forum for all those
interested in literature.

http://www.leadstartcorp.com/forum/

Its open to all that interested in contributing to healthy literary
discussions.

Thank You


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 1:09 am
From: Stratum101


On Nov 12, 2:16 am, Leadstart Publishing <jkpatch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We are happy to announce that we have launched a forum for all those
> interested in literature.
>
> http://www.leadstartcorp.com/forum/
>
> Its open to all that interested in contributing to healthy literary
> discussions.
>

What is the intent of this statement in your reviews section?

"Users cannot post reviews of books not published by us."


Been an interesting week of late night posting here. I'm
off for a spell. And you can read that two ways.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 12:21 am
From: Stratum101


For Dallas insomniacs in late-stage decline who
watch TV infomercials, there's what appears
to be an ordinary Osterizer blender for
"four -- yes, four! -- easy payments of only
$49.99." They call this baby a HealthMaster (tm).

You can buy one for $29 at the local Walmart.

Cram that armadillo and a few ice cubes
in and minutes later, you've got a puree
of something you can't get in California
or even France. Mmm, yummy. I
bet this would go well with peach.

--

Nearly done with _Windswept House_.
Godfather 3 must've been Malachi
Martin's inspiration.


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TOPIC: Big Trouble for Bibi
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 11 2009 5:44 pm
From: "Fish Supper"

"Grand Mal" <ironwrkr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FIBKm.51467$Db2.16755@edtnps83...
>
> "Just Me" <jpdm45@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:94b5b678-dbdf-46f3-9b2d-82fd195639a6@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...


Don't know about you Mal, but I've just replied the this freak in another
post and I feel I need to go and have a shower now.

== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 3:38 am
From: "Fish Supper"

"Just Me" <jpdm45@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:28422757-90cd-46ac-a3bb-e240ff3eb290@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
Observe! It is the same source, the same blowfish lips burbling of
Israeli "white phosphorus" bombs as the slimy thing sits there bottom-
feeding before God and everybody trying to put this one over . . .

On Nov 11, 6:56 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:

> you're a fool. Not one single Israeli has been killed by the rockets which
> were used as a pretext the atrocity on Gaza.

Yeah, we see who's the "fool" alright. Now just watch as in typical
style he tries to slip out of the grip of truth to say that he only
meant to speak of rocket killed Israelis in the days directly
preceding the launch of Operation Cast Lead?

==========

*Not one single Israeli has been killed by the rockets which were used as a
pretext the atrocity on Gaza.*

slip out of what? I cannot state any more clearly *by the rockets which were
used as a pretext the atrocity on Gaza*.

I thought it would be clear enough for even you to understand? Obviously
not. Maybe you were unable to read it through your spittle covered computer
screen?


> an atrocity that tooks months

In the sight of such a one, any attempt by an Israeli (read "Jew") at
self-defense is "an atrocity".

================

and here it is. It's nevere too far away is it? Vermin like you desperately
attempt to link Israel and Judaism until they are inextricable and then when
any criticism of Israel is levied, you construe that as anti-semitism.

So, no - rather than say " an Israeli (read "jew") ", I wouldprefer to say
"an israeli (read "fascist cunt")"


It is fine for the Palestinian to defend himself by randomly rocketing
defenseless Jewish children, ...
============

"The Paelstinian"? Hmmm, that reminds of something, now what was it again?
Ah, yes I remember now. Nazi propaganda which used to speak of "Der Jude" -
it's all part of the fascist, extremist mindset which seeks to dehumanise an
entire people by seeing them as one, vile, easily caricatured entity.

You're the type who would happily be wearing a swastika if you weren't
Jewish.


== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 4:31 am
From: "Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx"


On Nov 12, 6:38 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> "Just Me" <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:28422757-90cd-46ac-a3bb-e240ff3eb290@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> Observe! It is the same source, the same blowfish lips burbling of
> Israeli "white phosphorus" bombs as the slimy thing sits there bottom-
> feeding before God and everybody trying to put this one over . . .
>
> On Nov 11, 6:56 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > you're a fool. Not one single Israeli has been killed by the rockets which
> > were used as a pretext the atrocity on Gaza.
>
> Yeah, we see who's the "fool" alright.  Now just watch as in typical
> style he tries to slip out of the grip of truth to say that he only
> meant to speak of rocket killed Israelis in the days directly
> preceding the launch of Operation Cast Lead?
>
> ==========
>
> *Not one single Israeli has been killed by the rockets which were used as a
> pretext the atrocity on Gaza.*
>
> slip out of what? I cannot state any more clearly *by the rockets which were
> used as a pretext the atrocity on Gaza*.
>
> I thought it would be clear enough for even you to understand? Obviously
> not. Maybe you were unable to read it through your spittle covered computer
> screen?
>
> > an atrocity that tooks months
>
> In the sight of such a one, any attempt by an Israeli (read "Jew") at
> self-defense is "an atrocity".
>
> ================
>
> and here it is. It's nevere too far away is it? Vermin like you desperately
> attempt to link Israel and Judaism until they are inextricable and then when
> any criticism of Israel is levied, you construe that as anti-semitism.
>
> So, no - rather than say " an Israeli (read "jew") ", I wouldprefer to say
> "an israeli (read "fascist cunt")"
>
> It is fine for the Palestinian to defend himself by randomly rocketing
> defenseless Jewish children, ...
> ============
>
> "The Paelstinian"? Hmmm, that reminds of something, now what was it again?
> Ah, yes I remember now. Nazi propaganda which used to speak of "Der Jude" -
> it's all part of the fascist, extremist mindset which seeks to dehumanise an
> entire people by seeing them as one, vile, easily caricatured entity.
>
> You're the type who would happily be wearing a swastika if you weren't
> Jewish.

JM's other poster boy:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8356249.stm


== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 5:08 am
From: "Fish Supper"

"Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx" <john.kulczycki@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:768b4d23-1cca-40f4-9fe2-389875961fae@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 12, 6:38 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> "Just Me" <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:28422757-90cd-46ac-a3bb-e240ff3eb290@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> Observe! It is the same source, the same blowfish lips burbling of
> Israeli "white phosphorus" bombs as the slimy thing sits there bottom-
> feeding before God and everybody trying to put this one over . . .
>
> On Nov 11, 6:56 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > you're a fool. Not one single Israeli has been killed by the rockets
> > which
> > were used as a pretext the atrocity on Gaza.
>
> Yeah, we see who's the "fool" alright. Now just watch as in typical
> style he tries to slip out of the grip of truth to say that he only
> meant to speak of rocket killed Israelis in the days directly
> preceding the launch of Operation Cast Lead?
>
> ==========
>
> *Not one single Israeli has been killed by the rockets which were used as
> a
> pretext the atrocity on Gaza.*
>
> slip out of what? I cannot state any more clearly *by the rockets which
> were
> used as a pretext the atrocity on Gaza*.
>
> I thought it would be clear enough for even you to understand? Obviously
> not. Maybe you were unable to read it through your spittle covered
> computer
> screen?
>
> > an atrocity that tooks months
>
> In the sight of such a one, any attempt by an Israeli (read "Jew") at
> self-defense is "an atrocity".
>
> ================
>
> and here it is. It's nevere too far away is it? Vermin like you
> desperately
> attempt to link Israel and Judaism until they are inextricable and then
> when
> any criticism of Israel is levied, you construe that as anti-semitism.
>
> So, no - rather than say " an Israeli (read "jew") ", I wouldprefer to say
> "an israeli (read "fascist cunt")"
>
> It is fine for the Palestinian to defend himself by randomly rocketing
> defenseless Jewish children, ...
> ============
>
> "The Paelstinian"? Hmmm, that reminds of something, now what was it again?
> Ah, yes I remember now. Nazi propaganda which used to speak of "Der
> Jude" -
> it's all part of the fascist, extremist mindset which seeks to dehumanise
> an
> entire people by seeing them as one, vile, easily caricatured entity.
>
> You're the type who would happily be wearing a swastika if you weren't
> Jewish.

JM's other poster boy:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8356249.stm
=======

Unfortunately, this is the inevitable result of a society born and steeped
in hatred. It provides a perfect breeding ground for psychotics and
criminals and its dehumanisation of its victims and its self-agrandisement
as the home of the master race is a prime factor in this.

Teitel wasn't the first and won't be the last - in fact, the only really
unusual thing about him is that he wasn't wearing an IDF uniform. If he had
been, he would literally have got away with murder, like so many of them.

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 10:49 am
From: Just Me


On Nov 12, 5:38 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> "Just Me" <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> Yeah, we see who's the "fool" alright.  Now just watch as in typical
> style he tries to slip out of the grip of truth to say that he only
> meant to speak of rocket killed Israelis in the days directly
> preceding the launch of Operation Cast Lead?
>
> ==========
>
> *Not one single Israeli has been killed by the rockets which were used as a
> pretext the atrocity on Gaza.*
>
> slip out of what? I cannot state any more clearly *by the rockets which were
> used as a pretext the atrocity on Gaza*.
>
> I thought it would be clear enough for even you to understand?

But there are some statements too irrational and mendacious for any
sane, rational or moral mind to "understand". Perhaps the cordial and
sensitive thing for me would be to go crazy with you in order that I
might understand? Sorry. There are limits. But if what you say may be
untangled for the mess of fish guts it is, then it should become plain
to see that . . .

1. You do not deny by your statement that Palestinian rockets were
fired into Israel in the days directly preceding the Israeli
offensive, but it is only to express your disappointment over your bum
luck that no Israeli Jewish children were blown to bloody bits, as
intended, by your Palestinian rockets.

2. You try to get away with leaving the impression that invading
another country by air, attacking its peace, safety and sovereignty by
rocket fire is a "pretext"??? This, rather than a prompt and proper
retaliation.

3. You try to construct the irrational premise that because the effect
of those most recent rockets was not lethal as intended, this is as if
to erase the reality of those that were so, previously, and that it is
not lethality which is at issue, but the time at which the rocket is
fired! As if time should heal all mortal wounds?

No. The time for retaliation is in the hands of the retaliator, and it
will come at such a time as he is good and ready to give you the ass-
kicking you had coming, whether it be today, tomorrow or ten years
from now.

> Obviously
> not. Maybe you were unable to read it through your spittle covered computer
> screen?

Who knew there was a way to digitize spittle and send it from his
angry little key taps to my screen? Good he should mention it so I can
put away the Windex.

>
> > an atrocity that tooks months
>
> In the sight of such a one, any attempt by an Israeli (read "Jew") at
> self-defense is "an atrocity".
>
> ================
>
> and here it is. It's nevere too far away is it?

The truth? No, never.

> Vermin like you

Read "Jew" (or "Christian" -- whatever works)

> desperately
> attempt to link Israel and Judaism

Is that funny? How could anyone "link" Israel to Judaism?

> until they are inextricable

As they are, were from the beginning and ever shall be. The time for
pulling off that parsing of distinctions is OVER.

> and then when
> any criticism of Israel is levied, you construe that as anti-semitism.

Nothing is construed outside the machinations of your own unrecognized
pathological need for a politically correct Jew surrogate, Mr. Fascist
Dinner.

>
> So, no - rather than say " an Israeli (read "jew") ", I wouldprefer to say
> "an israeli (read "fascist cunt")"
>
> It is fine for the Palestinian to defend himself by randomly rocketing
> defenseless Jewish children, ...
> ============
>
> "The Paelstinian"? Hmmm, that reminds of something, now what was it again?
> Ah, yes I remember now. Nazi propaganda which used to speak of "Der Jude" -

> it's all part of the fascist, extremist mindset which seeks to dehumanise an
> entire people by seeing them as one, vile, easily caricatured entity.
Well, if that doesn't clinch it, nothing will! I say . . .

> It is fine for the Palestinian to defend himself by randomly rocketing
> defenseless Jewish children, ...

And he says . . .

> "The Paelstinian"?

Migod! A complete flight from reality. It was not a "Palestinian" who
blew himself up in the presence of Jewish babies in the Tel Aviv cafe?
Or who rockets from Gaza indiscriminately to the same effect? No!
Quite to the contrary, it is not the "Palestinian" it is . . .

> all part of the fascist, extremist mindset which seeks to dehumanise an
> entire people by seeing them as one, vile, easily caricatured entity.

In Israel, there are many Arab Israelis and Druze who are NOT called
"Palestinian" but "Israelis". There is no so-called "Palestinian" that
may be considered anything other than an enemy of every Arab and
Jewish Israeli. The entire "Palestinian People" are one, as the
people of Hitler's Germany were "one" so long as they remained
beneficiary to the policies of Hitler. So it goes most especially for
all Palestinians and most especially that Gaza majority who voted
Hamas in the last election. They voted for the killer swine, they ARE
the killer swine.

And now what do we get from Mr. Fascist Dinner?

> You're the type who would happily be wearing a swastika if you weren't
> Jewish.

I am not Jewish, but I would happily don a bright blue Magen David and
wear it proudly while I went about the business of feeding a Fish
Dinner like you to the fishes--to the Christians, for whom the Fish is
their sacred symbol; let them take you out to a dinner of Christ's
blood, lay hands on you, and pray over you, till the demons come
blowing out your ass in a big green plume; all this antisemitic pro-
Palestinian spew, to be finally seen by you for what it really is.
Nothing but a bunch of toxic fart gas that somehow got re-channeled to
your throat from your ass.
--
JM http://whosenose.blogspot.com
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com


== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 12:24 pm
From: "Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx"


On Nov 12, 1:49 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 5:38 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> > "Just Me" <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > Yeah, we see who's the "fool" alright.  Now just watch as in typical
> > style he tries to slip out of the grip of truth to say that he only
> > meant to speak of rocket killed Israelis in the days directly
> > preceding the launch of Operation Cast Lead?
>
> > ==========
>
> > *Not one single Israeli has been killed by the rockets which were used as a
> > pretext the atrocity on Gaza.*
>
> > slip out of what? I cannot state any more clearly *by the rockets which were
> > used as a pretext the atrocity on Gaza*.
>
> > I thought it would be clear enough for even you to understand?
>
> But there are some statements too irrational and mendacious for any
> sane, rational or moral mind to  "understand". Perhaps the cordial and
> sensitive thing for me would be to go crazy with you in order that I
> might understand?  Sorry. There are limits. But if what you say may be
> untangled for the mess of fish guts it is, then it should become plain
> to see that . . .
>
> 1. You do not deny by your statement that Palestinian rockets were
> fired into Israel in the days directly preceding the Israeli
> offensive, but it is only to express your disappointment over your bum
> luck that no Israeli Jewish children were blown to bloody bits, as
> intended, by your Palestinian rockets.
>
> 2. You try to get away with leaving the impression that invading
> another country by air, attacking its peace, safety and sovereignty by
> rocket fire is a "pretext"??? This, rather than a prompt and proper
> retaliation.
>
> 3. You try to construct the irrational premise that because the effect
> of those most recent rockets was not lethal as intended, this is as if
> to erase the reality of those that were so, previously, and that it is
> not lethality which is at issue, but the time at which the rocket is
> fired!  As if time should heal all mortal wounds?
>
> No. The time for retaliation is in the hands of the retaliator, and it
> will come at such a time as he is good and ready to give you the ass-
> kicking you had coming, whether it be today, tomorrow or ten years
> from now.
>
> > Obviously
> > not. Maybe you were unable to read it through your spittle covered computer
> > screen?
>
> Who knew there was a way to digitize spittle and send it from his
> angry little key taps to my screen? Good he should mention it so I can
> put away the Windex.
>
>
>
> > > an atrocity that tooks months
>
> > In the sight of such a one, any attempt by an Israeli (read "Jew") at
> > self-defense is "an atrocity".
>
> > ================
>
> > and here it is. It's nevere too far away is it?
>
> The truth?  No, never.
>
> > Vermin like you
>
> Read "Jew" (or "Christian" -- whatever works)
>
> > desperately
> > attempt to link Israel and Judaism
>
> Is that funny?  How could anyone "link" Israel to Judaism?
>
> > until they are inextricable
>
> As they are, were from the beginning and ever shall be.  The time for
> pulling off that parsing of distinctions is OVER.
>
> > and then when
> > any criticism of Israel is levied, you construe that as anti-semitism.
>
> Nothing is construed outside the machinations of your own unrecognized
> pathological need for a politically correct Jew surrogate, Mr. Fascist
> Dinner.
>
>
>
> > So, no - rather than say " an Israeli (read "jew") ", I wouldprefer to say
> > "an israeli (read "fascist cunt")"
>
> > It is fine for the Palestinian to defend himself by randomly rocketing
> > defenseless Jewish children, ...
> > ============
>
> > "The Paelstinian"? Hmmm, that reminds of something, now what was it again?
> > Ah, yes I remember now. Nazi propaganda which used to speak of "Der Jude" -
> > it's all part of the fascist, extremist mindset which seeks to dehumanise an
> > entire people by seeing them as one, vile, easily caricatured entity.
>
> Well, if that doesn't clinch it, nothing will!  I say . . .
>
> > It is fine for the Palestinian to defend himself by randomly rocketing
> > defenseless Jewish children, ...
>
> And he says . . .
>
> > "The Paelstinian"?
>
> Migod! A complete flight from reality.  It was not a "Palestinian" who
> blew himself up in the presence of Jewish babies in the Tel Aviv cafe?
> Or who rockets from Gaza indiscriminately to the same effect?  No!
> Quite to the contrary, it is not the "Palestinian" it is . . .
>
> > all part of the fascist, extremist mindset which seeks to dehumanise an
> > entire people by seeing them as one, vile, easily caricatured entity.
>
> In Israel, there are many Arab Israelis and Druze who are NOT called
> "Palestinian" but "Israelis". There is no so-called "Palestinian" that
> may be considered anything other than an enemy of every Arab and
> Jewish Israeli.  The entire "Palestinian People" are one, as the
> people of Hitler's Germany were "one" so long as they remained
> beneficiary to the policies of Hitler.  So it goes most especially for
> all Palestinians and most especially that Gaza majority who voted
> Hamas in the last election.  They voted for the killer swine, they ARE
> the killer swine.
>
> And now what do we get from Mr. Fascist Dinner?
>
> > You're the type who would happily be wearing a swastika if you weren't
> > Jewish.
>
> I am not Jewish, but I would happily don a bright blue Magen David and
> wear it proudly while I went about the business of feeding a Fish
> Dinner like you to the fishes--to the Christians, for whom the Fish is
> their sacred symbol; let them take you out to a dinner of Christ's
> blood, lay hands on you, and pray over you, till the demons come
> blowing out your ass in a big green plume; all this antisemitic pro-
> Palestinian spew, to be finally seen by you for what it really is.
> Nothing but a bunch of toxic fart gas that somehow got re-channeled to
> your throat from your ass.
> --
> JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com

http://www.usifaz.com/Web%20Site%20Pics/Screws/forged%20wing%20nut%202.gif


== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 3:25 pm
From: Just Me


On Nov 12, 2:24 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
<john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 1:49 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I am not Jewish, but I would happily don a bright blue Magen David and
> > wear it proudly while I went about the business of feeding a Fish
> > Dinner like you to the fishes--to the Christians, for whom the Fish is
> > their sacred symbol; let them take you out to a dinner of Christ's
> > blood, lay hands on you, and pray over you, till the demons come
> > blowing out your ass in a big green plume; all this antisemitic pro-
> > Palestinian spew, to be finally seen by you for what it really is.
> > Nothing but a bunch of toxic fart gas that somehow got re-channeled to
> > your throat from your ass.
> > --
> > JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
>
> http://www.usifaz.com/Web%20Site%20Pics/Screws/forged%20wing%20nut%20...

There he is -- K0OKchik in his brass Mickey Mouse Club cap. Kinda
cute!
--
JM http://whosenose.blogspot.com
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com


== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 3:30 pm
From: "Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx"


On Nov 12, 6:25 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 2:24 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
>
> <john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > On Nov 12, 1:49 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I am not Jewish, but I would happily don a bright blue Magen David and
> > > wear it proudly while I went about the business of feeding a Fish
> > > Dinner like you to the fishes--to the Christians, for whom the Fish is
> > > their sacred symbol; let them take you out to a dinner of Christ's
> > > blood, lay hands on you, and pray over you, till the demons come
> > > blowing out your ass in a big green plume; all this antisemitic pro-
> > > Palestinian spew, to be finally seen by you for what it really is.
> > > Nothing but a bunch of toxic fart gas that somehow got re-channeled to
> > > your throat from your ass.
> > > --
> > > JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
>
> >http://www.usifaz.com/Web%20Site%20Pics/Screws/forged%20wing%20nut%20...
>
> There he is -- K0OKchik in his brass Mickey Mouse Club cap. Kinda
> cute!
> --
> JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com

"I am not Jewish"

So you're a pozer then.


== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 3:10 pm
From: "Fish Supper"

"Just Me" <jpdm45@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ae3690e1-f346-4f65-97f8-6149162cdf66@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 12, 5:38 am, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> "Just Me" <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> Yeah, we see who's the "fool" alright. Now just watch as in typical
> style he tries to slip out of the grip of truth to say that he only
> meant to speak of rocket killed Israelis in the days directly
> preceding the launch of Operation Cast Lead?
>
> ==========
>
> *Not one single Israeli has been killed by the rockets which were used as
> a
> pretext the atrocity on Gaza.*
>
> slip out of what? I cannot state any more clearly *by the rockets which
> were
> used as a pretext the atrocity on Gaza*.
>
> I thought it would be clear enough for even you to understand?

But there are some statements too irrational and mendacious for any
sane, rational or moral mind to "understand". Perhaps the cordial and
sensitive thing for me would be to go crazy with you in order that I
might understand? Sorry. There are limits. But if what you say may be
untangled for the mess of fish guts it is, then it should become plain
to see that . . .

1. You do not deny by your statement that Palestinian rockets were
fired into Israel in the days directly preceding the Israeli
offensive,

***
a handful, which did no damage The rockets were launched as part of the war
against Israel which Israel restarted by calling off the ceasefire. The
Palestinians have every right to fight the illegal occupiers of their land.
This handful of rockets was used as a pretext by the lying Zionists for
launching an attack when they calculated they could get away with it.
Murdering scum.
***

but it is only to express your disappointment over your bum
luck that no Israeli Jewish children were blown to bloody bits, as
intended, by your Palestinian rockets.

***
More lies. I said no such thing. It's instructive that you have to make up
lies to argue your case
***

2. You try to get away with leaving the impression that invading
another country by air, attacking its peace, safety and sovereignty by
rocket fire is a "pretext"??? This, rather than a prompt and proper
retaliation.

***
correct those who invade a country should be fought until they leave that
country.
Retaliation for that invasion is justified at any time, anywhere
***

3. You try to construct the irrational premise that because the effect
of those most recent rockets was not lethal as intended, this is as if
to erase the reality of those that were so, previously, and that it is
not lethality which is at issue, but the time at which the rocket is
fired! As if time should heal all mortal wounds?

***
when the result is the murder of 1300 civilians, most of them women and
children then how lethal the initial rockets were is very much in question.
***

No. The time for retaliation is in the hands of the retaliator, and it
will come at such a time as he is good and ready to give you the ass-
kicking you had coming, whether it be today, tomorrow or ten years
from now.

***
as you will find out when Israel pays for its crimes
***


> So, no - rather than say " an Israeli (read "jew") ", I wouldprefer to say
> "an israeli (read "fascist cunt")"
>
> It is fine for the Palestinian to defend himself by randomly rocketing
> defenseless Jewish children, ...
> ============
>
> "The Paelstinian"? Hmmm, that reminds of something, now what was it again?
> Ah, yes I remember now. Nazi propaganda which used to speak of "Der
> Jude" -


Migod! A complete flight from reality. It was not a "Palestinian" who
blew himself up in the presence of Jewish babies in the Tel Aviv cafe?


***
Is English your first language? Are you aware of the difference between
definite and indefinite articles? Do I have to explain the rudiments of
grammar as well as history and law?
***

Or who rockets from Gaza indiscriminately to the same effect? No!
Quite to the contrary, it is not the "Palestinian" it is . . .

> all part of the fascist, extremist mindset which seeks to dehumanise an
> entire people by seeing them as one, vile, easily caricatured entity.

In Israel, there are many Arab Israelis and Druze who are NOT called
"Palestinian" but "Israelis".

***
not by the Israelis - who call them 'Arabs', who discriminate against them
and deny them full rights of citizenship
***

So it goes most especially for
all Palestinians and most especially that Gaza majority who voted
Hamas in the last election. They voted for the killer swine, they ARE
the killer swine.

***
The biggest and most vicious killers are in the uniform of the IDF - the
world knows it.
***

> You're the type who would happily be wearing a swastika if you weren't
> Jewish.

I am not Jewish,

***
another lie. Why deny your judaism? Are you ashamed to link your religion to
the cause you support?

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 4:22 pm
From: Just Me


On Nov 12, 5:30 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
<john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 6:25 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 12, 2:24 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
>
> > <john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > On Nov 12, 1:49 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I am not Jewish, but I would happily don a bright blue Magen David and
> > > > wear it proudly while I went about the business of feeding a Fish
> > > > Dinner like you to the fishes--to the Christians, for whom the Fish is
> > > > their sacred symbol; let them take you out to a dinner of Christ's
> > > > blood, lay hands on you, and pray over you, till the demons come
> > > > blowing out your ass in a big green plume; all this antisemitic pro-
> > > > Palestinian spew, to be finally seen by you for what it really is.
> > > > Nothing but a bunch of toxic fart gas that somehow got re-channeled to
> > > > your throat from your ass.
> > > > --
> > > > JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
>
> > >http://www.usifaz.com/Web%20Site%20Pics/Screws/forged%20wing%20nut%20...
>
> > There he is -- K0OKchik in his brass Mickey Mouse Club cap. Kinda
> > cute!
> > --
> > JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
>
> "I am not Jewish"
>
> So you're a pozer then.

Pozer schmozer. Now you pretend not to know that having a Jewish
father does not make a person Jewish? You know that, you've long
known that. My mother was a Scot. Sadly, I don't qualify.

Now put on your brass Mickey Mouse Club cap and go screw yourself into
a corner.
--
JM
http://jpdavid.blogspot.com/
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
http://vignettes-mackie.blogspot.com/


== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 4:47 pm
From: "Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx"


On Nov 12, 7:22 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 5:30 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
>
>
>
> <john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > On Nov 12, 6:25 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 12, 2:24 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
>
> > > <john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 12, 1:49 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I am not Jewish, but I would happily don a bright blue Magen David and
> > > > > wear it proudly while I went about the business of feeding a Fish
> > > > > Dinner like you to the fishes--to the Christians, for whom the Fish is
> > > > > their sacred symbol; let them take you out to a dinner of Christ's
> > > > > blood, lay hands on you, and pray over you, till the demons come
> > > > > blowing out your ass in a big green plume; all this antisemitic pro-
> > > > > Palestinian spew, to be finally seen by you for what it really is.
> > > > > Nothing but a bunch of toxic fart gas that somehow got re-channeled to
> > > > > your throat from your ass.
> > > > > --
> > > > > JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
>
> > > >http://www.usifaz.com/Web%20Site%20Pics/Screws/forged%20wing%20nut%20...
>
> > > There he is -- K0OKchik in his brass Mickey Mouse Club cap. Kinda
> > > cute!
> > > --
> > > JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
>
> > "I am not Jewish"
>
> > So you're a pozer then.
>
>  Pozer schmozer. Now you pretend not to know that having a Jewish
> father does not make a person Jewish?  You know that, you've long
> known that. My mother was a Scot. Sadly, I don't qualify.
>
> Now put on your brass Mickey Mouse Club cap and go screw yourself into
> a corner.
> --
> JMhttp://jpdavid.blogspot.com/http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.comhttp://vignettes-mackie.blogspot.com/

Well if that's the case, I suppose the criteria is that way because
only your mother would know who really was your father.

I've never said Jews were stupid.

Your poor mother.

To have to bare you and then have to bare the guilt that you've heaped
upon her for not making you a Jew.

Here: this may be more fitting for your age:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1072/525314872_bb241e1e8f_o.jpg


== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 5:14 pm
From: Just Me


On Nov 12, 6:47 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
<john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> To have to bare you and then have to bare . . .

You figure you got the right "bare" there, K00KChik? Best you should
check that out before you em-bear-ass yourself further. As a person's
command of spelling is a direct reflection of how much time he spends
with books, then surely this will result in his getting more things
than just spelling wrong. Just so, your utterly ignorant position on
Israel loudly proclaims it: you don't know the first part of what
you're always barking about, any more than you know that a mother
*bears* a child, not "bares" it, unless she's changing its diapers.
All you know is what comes into your ears and eyes from ignoramuses
just like you in the tv press, a good many of whom probably can't
spell either.

Swell of you to come in here today bearing the truth about the kind of
bare-ass dummy in diapters it takes to swallow a lot of LibProg
agitprop disinformation about Israel and Palestine, and take the sort
of position you take. Finally! K00Kchiki BARES ALL.

Fucking dimwits on wheels.
--
JM
http://jpdavid.blogspot.com/
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
http://vignettes-mackie.blogspot.com/


== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 5:33 pm
From: "Koolchicki@smurfsareus.xxx"


On Nov 12, 8:14 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 6:47 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
>
> <john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > To have to bare you and then have to bare . . .
>
> You figure you got the right "bare" there, K00KChik? Best you should
> check that out before you em-bear-ass yourself further. As a person's
> command of spelling is a direct reflection of how much time he spends
> with books, then surely this will result in his getting more things
> than just spelling wrong. Just so, your utterly ignorant position on
> Israel loudly proclaims it: you don't know the first part of what
> you're always barking about, any more than you know that a mother
> *bears* a child, not "bares" it, unless she's changing its diapers.
> All you know is what comes into your ears and eyes from ignoramuses
> just like you in the tv press, a good many of whom probably can't
> spell either.
>
> Swell of you to come in here today bearing the truth about the kind of
> bare-ass dummy in diapters it takes to swallow a lot of LibProg
> agitprop disinformation about Israel and Palestine, and take the sort
> of position you take. Finally!  K00Kchiki BARES ALL.
>
> Fucking dimwits on wheels.
> --
> JMhttp://jpdavid.blogspot.com/http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.comhttp://vignettes-mackie.blogspot.com/

Well if that's the case, I suppose the criteria is that way because
only your mother would know who really was your father.

I've never said Jews were stupid.

Your poor mother.

To have to bear you and then have to bear the guilt that you've heaped
upon her for not making you a Jew.

Here: this may be more fitting for your age:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1072/525314872_bb241e1e8f_o.jpg


== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 5:44 pm
From: "Grand Mal"

"Just Me" <jpdm45@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f8378629-c2ba-4075-97e8-0d6a911ecbcf@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 12, 6:47 pm, "Koolchi...@smurfsareus.xxx"
<john.kulczy...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> To have to bare you and then have to bare . . .

You figure you got the right "bare" there, K00KChik? Best you should
check that out before you em-bear-ass yourself further. As a person's
command of spelling is a direct reflection of how much time he spends
with books, then surely this will result in his getting more things
than just spelling wrong. Just so, your utterly ignorant position on
Israel loudly proclaims it: you don't know the first part of what
you're always barking about, any more than you know that a mother
*bears* a child, not "bares" it, unless she's changing its diapers.
All you know is what comes into your ears and eyes from ignoramuses
just like you in the tv press, a good many of whom probably can't
spell either.

Swell of you to come in here today bearing the truth about the kind of
bare-ass dummy in diapters it takes to swallow a lot of LibProg
agitprop disinformation about Israel and Palestine, and take the sort
of position you take. Finally! K00Kchiki BARES ALL.

Fucking dimwits on wheels.
--
JM
http://jpdavid.blogspot.com/
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
http://vignettes-mackie.blogspot.com/
**************************************************************
Diapters? Do they kind of magnify the crap?

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Franz Neumann on Carl Schmitt
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/448beaac281290a1?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 3:19 am
From: "Marko Amnell"

"The Other" <other@address.invalid> wrote in message
lyzl6t17pm.fsf@circe.aeaea...
> So, anyway, Schmitt (a) was a member of the
> Nazi Party who (b) never believed in what we today
> would call Nazism, but (c) nevertheless gave some
> legal support to Nazi policies, yet (d) wrote some
> things in 1938 that could reasonable be read as anti-Nazi.
> Neumann seems to emphasize (a) and (c) while
> ignoring (b) and (d).
>
> Also, in case anyone's reading this and might be misled
> by your talk of the Nuremberg Tribunal, remember that
> he was never charged with anything. After interrogating
> him the American investigators finally declared that there
> was "nothing to de-Nazify" in his case.
>
> Some of his biographers "excuse" his Nazi membership
> by saying that he was anti-Nazi before 1933 and his joining
> the Nazi Party was purely opportunistic. Other people
> (not biographers, as far as I know) say that we really was
> a Nazi through and through. I think the truth is in the middle,
> close to Schmitt's own account. I think he really did believe
> he could influence the direction of Germany between 1933-36,
> based on what he interpreted as basically an invitation to
> do so in 1933. He said that before he was denounced by
> the SS in 1936, he thought he could "give meaning to catchwords".
> I'm sure there was plenty of opportunism, but he also saw the
> Nazis in 1933 as at least amenable to influence. I wonder if
> those who describe his decision as opportunist could imagine
> his opportunistically joining the Communist Party if they
> had won. I sure can't imagine that.

I cannot imagine Schmitt ever joining the Communist Party.
Also, I agree with your summary above of the facts
concerning the question "Was Schmitt a Nazi?"

The question one might ask oneself, however, is
"Why should I read Schmitt?" or "Why should I read
Joseph de Maistre?" or "Why should I read Juan Donoso
Cortés?" The answers are complicated and subtle
and I hesitate to broach the topic because of how easy
it is to be misunderstood about such sensitive topics,
but I also feel that after discussing Schmitt for so long
here, I should say something.

The importance of reactionary conservative thinkers
like Schmitt, Maistre and Donoso is more than
historical. In other words, one should not read them
just out of curiosity about how extreme the views of
reactionary thinkers were in the past, and to compare
them with less extreme conservative thinkers like, say,
Edmund Burke.

The importance of the reactionary conservative thinkers
is that they state directly and candidly views that
politicians and political commentators will not say
openly today, but may in fact believe. They are open
about their contempt for liberalism and parliamentary
democracy, their belief that repression and violence
are necessary to maintain social order, or indeed,
their anti-Semitism. To be electable, conservative
politicians today all pay lip service to the importance
of liberal freedoms and the parliamentary system,
no one openly defends a need for social repression,
and anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim comments instantly
make a politician unelectable so they are avoided.
But the policies of conservative politicians reveal
that they have not really abandoned all these traditional
reactionary conservative beliefs. The post-9/11
War on Terror led to a curtailment of civil liberties
in the United States, for example. Prominent conservative
politicians will from time to time accidentally blurt
out anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim comments in public
(immediately followed by explanations that their
comments were misunderstood or taken out of context)
which makes one wonder what their true beliefs are.
And if one accepts that the sovereignty of states in
the Third World has been reduced through economic
domination by the main capitalist states, then one
can see the belief that violence and repression are
necessary to maintain social order (within the global
"society") in action in the wars (which are really
like police actions) in Afghanistan and elsewhere
as part of the War on Terror.

So, the importance of Schmitt, Maistre and Donoso
is that their writings help to explain the policies
of conservative politicians today whose actions
are not adequately explained by their public
pronouncements.

I believe in liberalism, for mainly Millian and Popperian
reasons, because I believe that individual freedom,
freedom of thought and expression, lead to the flowering
of civilization, culture, and the arts and sciences. Freedom
of inquiry is the best way to find truth. This belief is in direct
contradiction with the epistemological beliefs of
someone like Donoso, who holds that truth only
comes from revelation from God, and that free inquiry
only leads to confusion. Reading Schmitt, Maistre
and Donoso helps me to understand the dangers to
to liberalism and the freedom of inquiry in conservative
policies today.

But furthermore, reading the reactionary conservative
thinkers like Schmitt, Maistre and Donoso can help
one to understand the limits and contradictions of
liberalism. If one believes in tolerance and freedom
of thought and expression, what is the right response
to those who believe in the violent repression of
freedom of thought and expression? Is the practice of
Islamic extremism to be tolerated within Western societies
given that Islamic fundamentalism is opposed to the
fundamental beliefs of Western liberalism? The West's
confrontation with Islamic extremism is a classic case
of Schmitt's friend/enemy distinction. Liberal political
philosophy has trouble dealing with its own limits.
So here is an example where the reactionary conservative
thinkers can offer a positive contribution to dealing
with political issues today.

And finally, one may ask to what extent Schmitt's
criticism of parliamentary democracy (which owes
a lot to Donoso) is valid today. If, like me, you
believe in parliamentary democracy, then of course
your concern is that the pratice of parliamentary
democracy no longer lives up to the ideal.
Schmitt and Donoso were opposed to the ideal and
the practice of parliamentary democracy. But
their criticisms of parliamentary democracy may
help us to understand why today practice fails to
live up to the ideal. A more troubling thought is
that if indeed you believe that the practice of
parliamentary democracy today fails to be
democratic, and political power today is used to
maintain a global social order built on repression
and violence, to what extent does your own tacit
support of the present political system (even if you
don't vote, you pay taxes) make you complicit in
a social system whose real workings (behind the
facade of liberalism and democracy) are best
described by the reactionary conservatives like
Schmitt, Maistre and Donoso? There is an old
saying in political science that there is a sense
in which totalitarianism reveals the truth about
capitalism and liberal democracy.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 7:00 am
From: The Other


"Marko Amnell" <marko.amnell@kolumbus.fi> writes:

> The question one might ask oneself, however, is "Why should I read
> Schmitt?" or "Why should I read Joseph de Maistre?" or "Why should I
> read Juan Donoso Cortés?" The answers are complicated and subtle and
> I hesitate to broach the topic because of how easy it is to be
> misunderstood about such sensitive topics, but I also feel that
> after discussing Schmitt for so long here, I should say something.

Interesting. I don't agree with you about conservative politicians,
at least in America. It's probably different in Europe. To Schmitt,
Maistre, and Donoso Cortes, American conservatives are all just a
bunch of liberals. I don't see them as being that much closer to
these reactionary thinkers than self-described liberals are.
Sometimes even farther away: self-described conservatives trying to
spread "liberal democracy", that French Revolutionary ideology that
Maistre so despised. And I've heard more anti-Semitism from the left
than from the right lately.

I read Maistre because he's a great stylist and he's got some very
interesting things to say.

I read Schmitt in particular (and also Hobbes) because I'm fascinated
by the political situation of the State of Israel. Schmitt's
writings, from both before and after the war, are extremely relevant
to Israel's political situation. A lot of times I feel like he's
writing directly about current events. Israel claims to be a
(universal) democratic state because Arabs can vote. Schmitt showed
clearly that democracy is not a matter of ballots. As the Arab
electorate grows, Israel may be headed for a very bloody
constitutional crisis as its definitions as Jewish and "democratic"
smash up against each other. Issues of sovereignty will become
crucial in that case. The "international community" had already in
Schmitt's time abandoned the old European-centered world order which
he valorized, and adopted what he scorned as "abstract normativism" in
public law. This is used against Israel, in terms of abstract "human
rights" that change every week and also in the application of
out-of-context medieval Catholic concepts of just war to a situation
radically different from that in which they were developed. Many of
Israel's enemies are non-state political entities, in Schmitt's
terminology, so Schmitt's writings (_The Concept of the Political_ and
_Theory of the Partisan_) are relevant there as well.

Here's a remark by one of Schmitt's interlocutors, Leo Strauss:

I believe I can say, without any exaggeration, that since a very,
very early time the main theme of my reflections has been what is
called the `Jewish Question.'


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 8:47 am
From: "Marko Amnell"

"The Other" <other@address.invalid> wrote in message
lypr7nkct0.fsf@circe.aeaea...

> I read Schmitt in particular (and also Hobbes) because
> I'm fascinated by the political situation of the State of Israel.
> Schmitt's writings, from both before and after the war, are
> extremely relevant to Israel's political situation. A lot of
> times I feel like he's writing directly about current events.

I can understand that. Schmitt's writings uncover
the primal nature of politics (the primal distinction
between friends and enemies, the essence of
sovereignty) and he has an uncompromising
style of thought. Israel's very existence in the
Middle East, surrounded by hostile Arab states,
places it in a situation in which it is forced to
confront these primal political realities in a
more direct way than Western countries today.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 9:38 am
From: "Marko Amnell"

"The Other" <other@address.invalid> wrote in message
lypr7nkct0.fsf@circe.aeaea...

> Here's a remark by one of Schmitt's interlocutors, Leo Strauss:
>
> I believe I can say, without any exaggeration, that since a very,
> very early time the main theme of my reflections has been what is
> called the `Jewish Question.'

I'm curious. Have you seen the very interesting and well
made BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares"?
It was produced by Adam Curtis and studies the influence
of Leo Strauss on the neocons, and of Sayyid Qutb on
the Islamic extremists, and draws many interesting
parallels between them. Here is a short blurb:

"Both [the Islamists and Neoconservatives] were idealists
who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build
a better world. And both had a very similar explanation for
what caused that failure. These two groups have changed the
world, but not in the way that either intended. Together, they
created today's nightmare vision of a secret, organized evil
that threatens the world. A fantasy that politicians then found
restored their power and authority in a disillusioned age.
And those with the darkest fears became the most powerful."

You can download it for free from the Internet. Just go to that
Swedish website whose name is reminiscent of the Pirates of
the Caribbean movies...

Also, I suppose you already know about Heinrich Meier's
book _Carl Schmitt and Leo Strauss: The Hidden Dialogue_?
Definitely worth reading.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 10:13 am
From: "Marko Amnell"

"Marko Amnell" <marko.amnell@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
7m2vgjF3fuf5qU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "The Other" <other@address.invalid> wrote in message
> lypr7nkct0.fsf@circe.aeaea...
>
>> Here's a remark by one of Schmitt's interlocutors, Leo Strauss:
>>
>> I believe I can say, without any exaggeration, that since a very,
>> very early time the main theme of my reflections has been what is
>> called the `Jewish Question.'
>
> I'm curious. Have you seen the very interesting and well
> made BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares"?
> It was produced by Adam Curtis and studies the influence
> of Leo Strauss on the neocons, and of Sayyid Qutb on
> the Islamic extremists, and draws many interesting
> parallels between them. Here is a short blurb:
>
> "Both [the Islamists and Neoconservatives] were idealists
> who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build
> a better world. And both had a very similar explanation for
> what caused that failure. These two groups have changed the
> world, but not in the way that either intended. Together, they
> created today's nightmare vision of a secret, organized evil
> that threatens the world. A fantasy that politicians then found
> restored their power and authority in a disillusioned age.
> And those with the darkest fears became the most powerful."

The film has been widely condemned by neocons as a
conspiracy theory. One of the most strident criticisms
was Clive Davis's article "The Power of Bad Television"
in National Review. Here is a quote:

"After seeing a preview tape of the first installment of the
three-part series, I can only say that Jim Geraghty's account -
which was based on a Guardian report - was actually
understated. The opening episode amounts to a ludicrously
one-sided account of the rise of the neocons which manages
to impute all manner of sinister motives to a tight-knit circle
devoted to the teachings of Leo Strauss. In Curtis's world,
it is Strauss, not Osama bin Laden, who is the real evil genius."

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/davis200410211043.asp

For general information on the film, see e.g. wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares


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Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 8:00 am
From: al


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Date: Thurs, Nov 12 2009 11:37 am
From: Just Me


On Nov 11, 10:24 pm, Stratum101 <j.coll...@cross-comp.com> wrote:
> On Nov 11, 2:27 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > How's this for a show of optimism, eh?  I duly repost these comments
> > on the slim to nothing chance that maybe by now (present boring
> > coterie of total squares excluded), some rare to be found soul has
> > come in to sit down and raise his cup, who would be hip to what's so
> > hilarious about all this . . .
>
> > On Nov 3, 3:37 am, Michael Zeleny <larva...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Howard M. Kaminsky writes in a letter to the TLS regarding
> > > Bernard Wasserstein's Commentary on Hannah Arendt:
> > > As for his charges relating to Arendt's use of Nazi authors and her
> > > inadequate love of the Jewish people, I admit, Jew that I am, to
> > > believing that some Nazi authors had important things to say not
> > > unrelated to their Nazism, above all the viciously anti-Semitic but
> > > incomparably brilliant Carl Schmitt (whom Arendt used even more than
> > > she says) . . .
>
> > And just think of the way she used Heidegger, and of the way
> > Heidegger
> > used her, and of the way Heidegger used other Jews.
>
> Yes, but Zeleny, tragic character that he is with an
> imperfect command of English, apparently meant to
> write "...had important things to say *not related* to
> their Nazi[i]sm...", the opposite of his clumsy double
> negative.  I don't disagree with him.  Intellectuals
> who bought into the Third Reich were consumed
> by their Naziism.

Well, I don't know. Seems to me he's always taken a lot of damned
near obsessive care as to the construction of his texts. So just for
the hell of it, taking his word for it, what do you suppose would be
the meaning of his words in case they are to be taken literally? That
like, antisemitic texts might have "important things to say not
unrelated to their Nazism"?

Note that he prefaces these remarks by saying, "I admit, Jew that I
am."
--
JM http://doo-dads.blogspot.com


>
> [...]
>
> > But wouldn't you have to suppose it wasn't so old and wrinkled as all
> > that, back in the day of those hot times with Heidegger--indeed I'd
> > say she looked pretty sweet at the time, and sure did have a sexy way
> > of holding that cigarette . . .
>
> >http://www.librislondon.co.uk/images/hannah_arendt_portrait_300.jpg
>
> A semiotician will say the cigarette and her finger look
> like a two middle-finger gesture even if this wasn't her intent.
> But no thinking Jew in Hitler's Germany failed to comprehend
> her status in contemporary society.
>
> After the war, Elizabeth Schwartzkopf, a party member, was a
> controversial figure among music lovers.  I adore her.  (I tolerate
> Wagner.)  I'm less forgiving of Werner von Braun.
>
> Here's Schwartzkopf singing "Meine Lippen, sie küssen
> so heiss":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAI12axZL5k&feature=related
>
> Here's Hilde Guedin singing the same piece:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWI2QeBhnbY&feature=related
> She claimed some Jewish ancestry, enough to have put her at risk
> with the Nazis.
>
> If the piece sounds even a little familiar, you may recall a short
> clip of it played on a piano at a party attended by Oskar
> Schindler in "Schindler's List".  It comes from Franz
> Lehar's operetta "Giuditta".  And shame on you for any
> fondness for a composer whom Hitler dug!  Bad
> enough they had to sweep Lehar's Jewish wife
> under the carpet.

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