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TOPIC: Annotated RAW?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/9a773754efe0c6f2?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 15 2009 9:07 pm
From: Steve Hayes

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:52:05 -0800, Dan Clore <clore@columbia-center.org>
wrote:

>Now I'm thinking maybe there could be a RAWiki site (supported by
>advertisements, like Google ads?), where we could collaboratively
>annotate his works. I don't have the know-how to set something like that
>up, so if someone out there thinks they might be interested in doing it,
>let me know.

Go to http://www.wikispaces.com

and Just Do It, as they say in the classics.

--
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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 2:30 am
From: Modemac

On Dec 15, 10:53 am, just john <teuy13...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> Tater and Modemac each have wikii up and running.
> How much internal strife is there among RAW readers?

Waitasec...I'm not supposed to like Tater's wiki? We're supposed to
be jealous of each other?

Crap. But TaterPedia's cool.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 7:50 am
From: Jack Campin - bogus address

> Books with annotations for Ulysses and Gravity's Rainbow have
> greatly contributed to my understanding and enjoyment of these
> novels. It seems to me that a compilation of annotations for
> RAW novels could do the same for his readers. [...]
> Do readers here think that there would be enough interest in
> such a work to make it worthwhile?

I am trying to think of any meretricious pile of literary dogshit
that would be even less worth elucidating (and hasn't already been
done, like Dan Brown).

Maybe Harold Robbins or Michael Crichton.

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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 3:04 pm
From: just john

Modemac wrote:
> On Dec 15, 10:53 am, just john <teuy13...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>> Tater and Modemac each have wikii up and running.
>> How much internal strife is there among RAW readers?
>
> Waitasec...I'm not supposed to like Tater's wiki? We're supposed to
> be jealous of each other?
>
> Crap. But TaterPedia's cool.

No, that's not what I was talking about. Two different paragraphs, dude.

--
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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 10:18 pm
From: Dan Clore

just john wrote:
> On Dec 15, 8:52 am, Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
>> Dan Clore wrote:
>>> Mgr Dry Martini wrote:
>>>> On 13 Dec, 02:38, Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
>>>>> The work of Robert Anton Wilson is rich in allusion,
>>>>> stylistic imitation, and other literary devices that may not
>>>>> be obvious to uninitiated readers. In this it is much like
>>>>> the work of James Joyce and Thomas Pynchon. Books with
>>>>> annotations for Ulysses and Gravity's Rainbow have greatly
>>>>> contributed to my understanding and enjoyment of these
>>>>> novels. It seems to me that a compilation of annotations for
>>>>> RAW novels could do the same for his readers. I've studied
>>>>> RAW and his sources enough that I would feel competent to
>>>>> create these annotations. Do readers here think that there
>>>>> would be enough interest in such a work to make it
>>>>> worthwhile? The book I would most like to annotate is Masks
>>>>> of the Illuminati, but I suppose I would have to start with
>>>>> The Illuminatus! Trilogy and see how things go. Also, I
>>>>> really couldn't devote the time and effort unless there was
>>>>> some prospect of making a little money from the project. That
>>>>> would mean book publication. Does anyone know of a publisher
>>>>> likely to be interested? Perhaps New Falcon?
>>>> "An Insider's Guide to Robert Anton Wilson" by Eric Wagner
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Insiders-Guide-Robert-Anton-Wilson/dp/156184165X
>>>> Sorry, someone got there first.
>>> That's a great book and very useful, but I'm thinking of a
>>> different sort of book, and would have more than enough original
>>> material to justify the new work. The influence of H.P. Lovecraft
>>> is one area I would cover with vastly more detail, for instance.
>> Now I'm thinking maybe there could be a RAWiki site (supported by
>> advertisements, like Google ads?), where we could collaboratively
>> annotate his works. I don't have the know-how to set something like
>> that up, so if someone out there thinks they might be interested in
>> doing it, let me know.
>>
> Tater and Modemac each have wikii up and running.
>
> How much internal strife is there among RAW readers? I ask so you
> can consider how much flaming and internal wars to expect, and how
> much you wish to put up with. One means of minimizing it is to allow
> registered users only to update it, and to keep a firm hand on who
> registers. This may give rise to accusations of censorship and such.

I don't think there's much strife at all between the RAW fans that I
know. The subject matter might draw all sorts of kooks, though, causing
a need for someone to verify the accuracy of information posted. (I
would be happy to be one of the moderators who perform this and other
editorial functions.)

The main hangup that I have, though, is the possibility of getting some
mucky pelf out of the thing. -- Though I could probably settle for a
pretty nominal sum. The model at Nolan Chart would probably be okay, and
that brings me hardly anything. Anyone?

--
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 10:28 pm
From: HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:18:56 -0800, Dan Clore <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote:

>just john wrote:
>> On Dec 15, 8:52 am, Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
>>> Dan Clore wrote:
>>>> Mgr Dry Martini wrote:
>>>>> On 13 Dec, 02:38, Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
>>>>>> The work of Robert Anton Wilson is rich in allusion,
>>>>>> stylistic imitation, and other literary devices that may not
>>>>>> be obvious to uninitiated readers. In this it is much like
>>>>>> the work of James Joyce and Thomas Pynchon. Books with
>>>>>> annotations for Ulysses and Gravity's Rainbow have greatly
>>>>>> contributed to my understanding and enjoyment of these
>>>>>> novels. It seems to me that a compilation of annotations for
>>>>>> RAW novels could do the same for his readers. I've studied
>>>>>> RAW and his sources enough that I would feel competent to
>>>>>> create these annotations. Do readers here think that there
>>>>>> would be enough interest in such a work to make it
>>>>>> worthwhile? The book I would most like to annotate is Masks
>>>>>> of the Illuminati, but I suppose I would have to start with
>>>>>> The Illuminatus! Trilogy and see how things go. Also, I
>>>>>> really couldn't devote the time and effort unless there was
>>>>>> some prospect of making a little money from the project. That
>>>>>> would mean book publication. Does anyone know of a publisher
>>>>>> likely to be interested? Perhaps New Falcon?
>>>>> "An Insider's Guide to Robert Anton Wilson" by Eric Wagner
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Insiders-Guide-Robert-Anton-Wilson/dp/156184165X
>>>>> Sorry, someone got there first.
>>>> That's a great book and very useful, but I'm thinking of a
>>>> different sort of book, and would have more than enough original
>>>> material to justify the new work. The influence of H.P. Lovecraft
>>>> is one area I would cover with vastly more detail, for instance.
>>> Now I'm thinking maybe there could be a RAWiki site (supported by
>>> advertisements, like Google ads?), where we could collaboratively
>>> annotate his works. I don't have the know-how to set something like
>>> that up, so if someone out there thinks they might be interested in
>>> doing it, let me know.
>>>
>> Tater and Modemac each have wikii up and running.
>>
>> How much internal strife is there among RAW readers? I ask so you
>> can consider how much flaming and internal wars to expect, and how
>> much you wish to put up with. One means of minimizing it is to allow
>> registered users only to update it, and to keep a firm hand on who
>> registers. This may give rise to accusations of censorship and such.
>
>I don't think there's much strife at all between the RAW fans that I
>know. The subject matter might draw all sorts of kooks, though, causing
>a need for someone to verify the accuracy of information posted. (I
>would be happy to be one of the moderators who perform this and other
>editorial functions.)
>
>The main hangup that I have, though, is the possibility of getting some
>mucky pelf out of the thing. -- Though I could probably settle for a
>pretty nominal sum. The model at Nolan Chart would probably be okay, and
>that brings me hardly anything. Anyone?

Fuck RAW, it ain't been no good since Vince McMahon bought out ECW.
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TOPIC: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BAKED RIBS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/346fcd4718a3833b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 5:04 am
From: Abraham Andersen

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TOPIC: Do You Believe in Free Willie? A Note for the King of Texas
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/0f3e0fb9b893335c?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 7:03 am
From: Hal Womack 3-dan

How can we use a typical knuckle-dragging Jewish murderer like "Jim
Collier" aka "Stratum" on this thread to improve our understanding of
the world?

First of all, who are "we"? In the broadest sense, "we" are the entire
human race on both sides of the most important line.
"What line?", do I hear you ask? Why the law-line. "What law?", do you
ask again? Why "live and let live", which's one way of expressing the
prohibition against aggressive war that we, humanity as a whole,
explicitly & emphatically laid down via the International Military
Tribunal sitting at Nuremberg in 1945, thus creating modern world
law.

'Tis also important to bear in mind that even very bloody-handed
murderers can, with Heaven's grace, reform themselves and turn into
useful & honorable people. I have often praised before such living
examples from the U.S. military as Special Forces Master Sergeant
Donald Duncan, Lt.Col. Anthony Herbert, Capt. Charlie Liteky and
Capt.Louis Vitale PhD OFM. Major Nidal Hassan of recent Fort Hood
slaughter fame makes a quite special case here, the extended
discussion of which we can leave until a later date.

So who are the biggest murderers in the United States? Do we
substitute the phrase "war criminals" for the M word in the previous
sentence, we will get the same result. To help us answer this question
in detail, we have at hand a certain liberal shill for the Democratic
Party who is being fairly heavily promoted in L-L circles with a
national tour for his debut effort as an author. I refer to David
Swanson*. The title of his book = DAYBREAK: UNDOING THE IMPERIAL
PRESIDENCY (2009). DS has compiled a list of the "50 Top U.S. War
Criminals". I agree with some of his selections, starting with King
Henry Kissinger, who definitely takes the top slot in my book. Missing
from Swanson's list are more than two dozen names which spring
immediately to mind (#1 below).

Jim Collier lies obsessively about my past. He has also threatened to
murder me, which fact I duly reported to San Francisco District
Attorney Kamala Harris with all the exciting results which one would
expect from tickling a corpse. Two weeks ago, on December 2nd, JC's
ideological littermate, the anonymous grey_ghost471-
newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) made its murder threat more
explicit, "If you don't shut the fuck up the Mossad
will come and kill you" (#2). My files show that I have already
discussed this sort of menace four years ago and that the long serving
director of the Mossad, Meir Dagan, has a reputation entirely
consistent with such actions (#3).

As any serious reader can easily confirm for herself merely by
reviewing the earlier posts in this thread, I have already
intellectually destroyed JC's position several times over.
JC returns braying simply to remind us that K-6 or Kosher King
Kissinger's Kabal of Kiddie-Killers still oppresses our Race and our
Planet. My own future and the future of all honest people on Earth
will indeed remain gravely threatened until we shall have utterly
defeated this monstrous globe-straddling conspiracy and have cast its
bosses down into the dungeons where they belong.
.....................................

* http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/warcriminals
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#1.) Major world war criminals:
The Sulzbergerz; Dianne Feinstein; Walter Shorenstein; Haim Saban;
Koret; Taube; W. James McNerney, Jr: Chairman, President and Chief
Executive Officer, The Boeing Company
http://www.boeing.com/ ;

Lloyd C. Blankfein: Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Goldman
Sachs
http://www2.goldmansachs.com/ ;

Robert J. Stevens: Chairman of the Board, President and
Chief Executive Officer of Lockheed Martin
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/index.html ;

Phil Bronstein of the San Francisco CHRONICLE (Hearst); Abe Foxman of
the ADL; David Horowitz of FRONTLINE; Mark Broxmeyer of JINSA; David
Horovitz of the JERUSALEM POST; David Victor of AIPAC; Senator Charles
Schumer; Rahm Israel Emanuel (Obomber's Chief of Staff); Alan Solow of
the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations; Antonio
Villaraigosa; Bushez; Clintonz; Obomber.
...............................................
#2.)
http://tinyurl.com/ydafmw5

Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast, alt.politics.liberalism,
talk.politics.guns, us.military.army, rec.music.hip-hop
From: grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:23:59 -0600
Subject: Re: Who's the Most Dangerous Jew? Comparing the Cases of the
Israeli General Efraim Eitam vs. the American Professor Norman
Finkelstein
...............................................
#3.)
http://tinyurl.com/yh5oqy8

Newsgroups: ba.politics, ca.politics, la.general, scruz.politics,
alt.society.liberalism
From: "wom...@sonic.net" <wom...@sonic.net>
Date: 21 Jan 2005 18:54:27 -0800
Subject: Israel To Kill in U.S., Allied Nations --Repost

(From Our Files: Courtesy Cross-post by Hal Womack}

ISRAEL TO KILL IN U.S., ALLIED NATIONS

By Richard Sale
UPI Intelligence Correspondent
Published 1/15/2003 7:14 PM
Israel is embarking upon a more aggressive approach to the war on
terror that will include staging targeted killings in the United
States
and other friendly countries, former Israeli intelligence officials
told United Press International.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has forbidden the practice until
now, these sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
The Israeli statements were confirmed by more than a half dozen former
and currently serving U.S. foreign policy and intelligence officials
in
interviews with United Press International....[snip]
.........................................................
#4.) http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

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On Dec 15, 12:40 am, Jim <j.coll...@cross-comp.com> wrote:
> On Dec 14, 3:51 pm, Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [Previous word salads]
> I wrote:
>
> You are a common antisemite,

JC fails even to try to defend its abuse of this standard misleading
term of abuse.

>you are an aggressive

The invading Euro-American Jews from Boxer to Netanyahu to lil' JC
massacre 1,441 Palestinian children since September 29, 2000 (#4
above). I propose to prosecute the murderers. For this most elementary
lawful thought, JC tries to tag me as "aggressive".

> kook,

The family name of an early NaZionist ideologue.

> you have what could with extreme kindness
> be called a long association with psychiatric
> institutions,

JC's retarded attempt at a smear, based on my own published statement
that I worked as a psychiatric orderly in St.Joseph's Hospital in the
Summer of 1962.

>and you are a homicidal psychopath.

JC doffs its faux shrink hat and pulls a lie out its asshole in a
spiteful attempt to reply to my all too true charges of murder against
its cult.

> > In typical jooshloon fashion, it manages
> > in only two sentences to barf out 7 baseless insults against me.
>
> Texas, it's four insults actually unless you impute a fifth
> separate insult to the accusation of commonness.

The text in question:

{Actually, nutjob (1), I haven't said a word. You
are a common antisemite (2) , you are an aggressive (3)
kook (4), you have what could with extreme kindness
be called a long association with psychiatric
institutions (5), and you are a homicidal (6) psychopath (7).}

> In fact,
> it can be said in only one sentence that you have arrived at
> the end of your life, living upstairs in a single room of a seedy
> hotel with no more to show than an audience of perhaps two
> or three if we exclude the sundry voices in the head.

JC's info here obsolete. While I do say that 'tis better to live in
poverty as an honest man than surrounded by bloody booty as a
murderer, 'tis also true than we the righteous should strip the war
criminals of every looted penny besides dungeonizing them.

> You have no future, bunkie!

Shy lil' JC dons its prophet hat to oink through with a bang.

> Shoulda picked better parents. In every case, the
> psychotic antisemite is predominantly the product
> of one of his bad parents. I say (and here the
> evidence *is* flimsy) that it was his father.

In 1965 my parents --"Pappy" (his actual nickname, resulting from
having been the youngest member of his class in medical school in
Galveston) being a prosperous pediatrician in Fort Worth--
disinherited me (at age 20) for my highly publicized activities in
support of the Vietnamese against jootool LBJ's war of aggression.
I paid for my next 4 years of university education (3 at the graduate
level) by work and earned fellowships. In 1973 my then widowed Ma
Margaret relented and sent me back for 1 year in Law School at the
University of Texas, during which time I continued my efforts on
behalf of the Vietnamese.

The responsible reader will at all times bear in mind that Jim Collier
militantly supports the mass murder of children by his fellow Jews.
Therefore, he will call any honorable person who seeks to prosecute
him for this crime by whatever name he can find handy to howl. Each
human being on Earth today must choose between defending the right to
live of innocent children or OTOH joining in the atrocities of the
Kissinger-Bush-Clinton-Obomber Gang*, for whom JC so fecklessly fronts
on this thread. The regnant Jews do have mountains of loot, bags of
bombs and tons of TV. OTOH as JC's here to remind us, they are by the
same token completely bereft of rational arguments. They have to try
to make do with a snarl instead. These wicked degenerates are doomed.

* aka JAPE for Jewish-American Planetary Empire.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 8:17 am
From: Jim

On Dec 16, 9:03 am, Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> wrote:

> First of all, who are "we"?

You are a psychopath. Most of us are not.

>Jim Collier lies obsessively about my past. He has also threatened to
> murder me, which fact I duly reported to San Francisco District
> Attorney Kamala Harris with all the exciting results which one would
> expect from tickling a corpse.

You are a *known* nutjob downtown. Saying that
antisemites ought to get their faces kicked in
isn't really a death threat against you. Most
of your kind from the old school, if still alive,
are in their senescence and beyond civil
retribution. Of course there's not much one
can do about the ghosts in their heads. I
question that you ever had enough of a
ghost-ridden brain to worry about wasting in
the first place.

(Okay, the previous sentence was petty. I am
human.)

> Two weeks ago, on December 2nd, JC's
> ideological littermate, the anonymous grey_ghost471-
> newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) made its murder threat more
> explicit, "If you don't shut the fuck up the Mossad
> will come and kill you" (#2).

You overestimate yourself. You are such an
embarrassment even to other antisemites that
you represent no real threat at this late stage
in your unhappy life, notwithstanding
your violent past including attempted murder
and tendency to harrass people who disagree
with you.

The truth is you have been in and out of
adult supervised care since adolescence
beginning with your parents' placing you
in a boarding school beyond daily commuting
distance. I suspect they argued in
bed late at night: "He takes after your
side." "No, he takes after your side!"

My vote's for your pop's side but I admit
it's only a hunch. I'll accept just about
any genetic explanation.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 10:35 am
From: Hal Womack 3-dan

Let's give Jim Collier a break, shall we? Although the posts on this
thread and on dozens of others as well may make him seem like a
vulgar, lying, murderous joofool, we should in all fairness recognize
that he's doing as well in his untenable position as could any of his
more highly publicized cultish accomplices, such as Tom Friedman,
Charles Krauthammer or the many others whom I have already named in
earlier posts. 'Tis quite simply impossible for anyone to look good
in open fora against expert opposition when one is trying to defend
mass murder, as Jim Collier ever tries to do.
JC is following the example of network TV, the dying blatts and the
despised US Congress but they have the all-important advantage of
monopoly control of the microphones within their vacuum bubbles to
protect them from direct exposure.

I have many times explained that all people of good will should at
least try to follow the old Augustinian proverb and love the sinner
while hating the sin, which we can translate into seculareeze by
substituting for the antique word "sin" the more modern "crime".
After all, AFAIK the papists may still teach that shaking your weenie
more than 3 times at the urinal will lead the swaying teenie to the
everlasting flames, where he will burn the hair growing on his palm.
Of course, many modern folk have bizarre ideas about what constitutes
a "crime", too, as witness the following table (#1 below) of arrests
in the USA last year. The narcs busted 847,863 Americans for marijuana
vs. 594,911 for all violent crimes.

So besides JC here present there surely be many, many other Merkins
who are plenty fucked in de haid, even if we did finally get rid of
SonnaBush.

But let's pretend for a moment that we are all reasonable, loving
people who truly understand the law and, therefore, also what
constitutes a "crime".

Then we can see that in order to love living people we must above all
else hate the crime of murder, especially the murder of children and
then of women and then of men, in that order of concern.

As I pointed out in my last post (item # 15 in this thread, according
to my Google newsreader):
"The invading Euro-American Jews from Boxer to Netanyahu to lil' JC
have massacred 1,441 Palestinian children since September 29, 2000." I
have given the names of the two wee Rabbo Sisters, of Iman al-Hams, of
Abir Aramin, of Akaber Zaid and of other Palestinian children whom Jim
Collier and his Jewish brethren & cistern have wantonly and regularly
laid low according to their foul custom.

Jim has now appeared on this thread alone 7 times (he has a problem
with simple arithmetic) evidently hoping to distract the most simple-
minded reader from the grim facts of mass murder by his homely
technique of shrinky cat-calling by and spinning his ludicrous
fantasies about my personal life & family history.

Jim does make one point which deserves our serious consideration:
Under JAPE (remember how this acronym unpacks?) anyone who dares to
stand for those funny old values of truth and justice does face
thereby most serious threats against both her life and her property. I
have again listed below (#2) some examples of victims of Jewish
assassins.

Obviously, for us humans to live in peace on Earth, we will have to
face resolutely the huge challenge of locking up the murderers who
presently infest the White House, the Pentagon, Congress, the
propaganda system and so forth. Those who finally succeed in
accomplishing this epochal task will thereby establish their
credentials as leaders of our race in our transition to the third,
mature age of _homo sapiens_.

Gee, to think I began this thread simply with the intention of
suggesting to my homie Willie Nelson that he go to Lausanne to
serenade Han Suyin....
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#1.)
http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/53
..........................................
#2.) Abraham Lincoln, Huey Long, Lord Moyne, Count Folke Bernadotte,
John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, the 34 sailors of the USS LIBERTY, Martin
Luther King, Bobby Kennedy, the kids of the OKC Federal kindergarten,
Princess Diana and the 3000 office workers of the WTC. Plus millions
of victims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Lebanon and Colombia.

============================================
On Dec 16, 8:17 am, Jim <j.coll...@cross-comp.com> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 9:03 am, Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > First of all, who are "we"?
>
> You are a psychopath. Most of us are not.
>
> >Jim Collier lies obsessively about my past. He has also threatened to
> > murder me, which fact I duly reported to San Francisco District
> > Attorney Kamala Harris with all the exciting results which one would
> > expect from tickling a corpse.
>
> You are a *known* nutjob downtown. Saying that
> antisemites ought to get their faces kicked in
> isn't really a death threat against you. Most
> of your kind from the old school, if still alive,
> are in their senescence and beyond civil
> retribution. Of course there's not much one
> can do about the ghosts in their heads. I
> question that you ever had enough of a
> ghost-ridden brain to worry about wasting in
> the first place.
>
> (Okay, the previous sentence was petty. I am
> human.)
>
> > Two weeks ago, on December 2nd, JC's
> > ideological littermate, the anonymous grey_ghost471-
> > newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) made its murder threat more
> > explicit, "If you don't shut the fuck up the Mossad
> > will come and kill you" (#2).
>
> You overestimate yourself. You are such an
> embarrassment even to other antisemites that
> you represent no real threat at this late stage
> in your unhappy life, notwithstanding
> your violent past including attempted murder
> and tendency to harrass people who disagree
> with you.
>
> The truth is you have been in and out of
> adult supervised care since adolescence
> beginning with your parents' placing you
> in a boarding school beyond daily commuting
> distance. I suspect they argued in
> bed late at night: "He takes after your
> side." "No, he takes after your side!"
>
> My vote's for your pop's side but I admit
> it's only a hunch. I'll accept just about
> any genetic explanation.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 6:54 pm
From: Jim

On Dec 16, 12:35 pm, Hal Womack 3-dan <hal.wom...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Let's give Jim Collier a break, shall we?

You could give me a break just by talking less, you
sputtering psychopath.

You'd do well to study irony as a dramatic device.

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TOPIC: Muhammad bin Tughlaq's fiancial methods in our times?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/86a950939db38c43?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 3:36 pm
From: "Arindam Banerjee"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7or7jeF3qjondU1@mid.individual.net...
> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>> India's experience with inflation had to do with Muhammad bin
>>>>>>>>>> Tughlaq in the 14th century. One of the most colourful
>>>>>>>>>> characters in Indian history, he was a genius and also a
>>>>>>>>>> madman, endowed with absolute power. He thought well ahead of
>>>>>>>>>> his times, so he deemed a paper-type currency would help
>>>>>>>>>> matters. However, there were no checks against counterfeit,
>>>>>>>>>> so the whole economy got screwed.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Is there any practical outcome-wise difference between
>>>>>>>>>> electronic (magic, unearned) money generated by the govt., and
>>>>>>>>>> counterfeit produced through private enterprise?
>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, the govt only continues while ever the voters allow that.
>
>>>>>>>> Not much difference between a continuing govt. and an absolute
>>>>>>>> monarch.
>
>>>>>>> Massive difference, its a hell of a lot easier to get rid of a
>>>>>>> govt that doesnt deliver what the voters want.
>
>>>>>> You can kill the absolute monarch.
>
>>>>> Less consequences from giving the bum the bums rush at the ballot box.
>
>>>> Change is immediate with bumping off the absolute monarch
>
>>> Lot harder to do tho, particularly when the individual has enough of a
>>> clue to make it hard to do.
>
>> Lots of absolute monarchs have been bumped off.
>
> Yes, but its a lot easier for them to ensure that doesnt happen today.

Mainly because there are no absolute rulers around any more. Only puppets
moved by opinion polls, at the very best.

>> It is much more difficult to get rid of a deeply entrenched and
>> effectively invisible oligopoly, that puts up dum-dee choices.
>
> Which is why the great democracys dont allow that sort of oligopoly.

How else do you think they function? Naturally the top priority of any
sensible oligarchy is to reassure the public that their opinion actually
matters, from time to time.

>>>> (who may or may not have become an absolute pain in the arse).
>
>

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 4:02 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Arindam Banerjee wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote

>>>>>>>>>>> India's experience with inflation had to do with Muhammad
>>>>>>>>>>> bin Tughlaq in the 14th century. One of the most colourful
>>>>>>>>>>> characters in Indian history, he was a genius and also a
>>>>>>>>>>> madman, endowed with absolute power. He thought well ahead
>>>>>>>>>>> of his times, so he deemed a paper-type currency would help
>>>>>>>>>>> matters. However, there were no checks against counterfeit,
>>>>>>>>>>> so the whole economy got screwed.

>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any practical outcome-wise difference between
>>>>>>>>>>> electronic (magic, unearned) money generated by the govt.,
>>>>>>>>>>> and counterfeit produced through private enterprise?

>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the govt only continues while ever the voters allow that.

>>>>>>>>> Not much difference between a continuing govt. and an absolute monarch.

>>>>>>>> Massive difference, its a hell of a lot easier to get rid of a govt that doesnt deliver what the voters want.

>>>>>>> You can kill the absolute monarch.

>>>>>> Less consequences from giving the bum the bums rush at the ballot box.

>>>>> Change is immediate with bumping off the absolute monarch

>>>> Lot harder to do tho, particularly when the individual has enough of a clue to make it hard to do.

>>> Lots of absolute monarchs have been bumped off.

>> Yes, but its a lot easier for them to ensure that doesnt happen today.

> Mainly because there are no absolute rulers around any more.

There have been quite recently.

> Only puppets moved by opinion polls, at the very best.

Pol Pot didnt bother with those. Neither did Stalin, Mao, Hitler etc etc etc either.

>>> It is much more difficult to get rid of a deeply entrenched and
>>> effectively invisible oligopoly, that puts up dum-dee choices.

>> Which is why the great democracys dont allow that sort of oligopoly.

> How else do you think they function?

The voters give the bums that fuck up badly enough the bums rush at the ballot box.

> Naturally the top priority of any sensible oligarchy is to reassure the public that their opinion actually matters,
> from time to time.

There is no oligarchy.

>>>>> (who may or may not have become an absolute pain in the arse).

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 5:08 pm
From: "Arindam Banerjee"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7otapmF3rbtb9U1@mid.individual.net...
> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> India's experience with inflation had to do with Muhammad
>>>>>>>>>>>> bin Tughlaq in the 14th century. One of the most colourful
>>>>>>>>>>>> characters in Indian history, he was a genius and also a
>>>>>>>>>>>> madman, endowed with absolute power. He thought well ahead
>>>>>>>>>>>> of his times, so he deemed a paper-type currency would help
>>>>>>>>>>>> matters. However, there were no checks against counterfeit,
>>>>>>>>>>>> so the whole economy got screwed.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any practical outcome-wise difference between
>>>>>>>>>>>> electronic (magic, unearned) money generated by the govt.,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and counterfeit produced through private enterprise?
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the govt only continues while ever the voters allow that.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Not much difference between a continuing govt. and an absolute
>>>>>>>>>> monarch.
>
>>>>>>>>> Massive difference, its a hell of a lot easier to get rid of a
>>>>>>>>> govt that doesnt deliver what the voters want.
>
>>>>>>>> You can kill the absolute monarch.
>
>>>>>>> Less consequences from giving the bum the bums rush at the ballot
>>>>>>> box.
>
>>>>>> Change is immediate with bumping off the absolute monarch
>
>>>>> Lot harder to do tho, particularly when the individual has enough of a
>>>>> clue to make it hard to do.
>
>>>> Lots of absolute monarchs have been bumped off.
>
>>> Yes, but its a lot easier for them to ensure that doesnt happen today.
>
>> Mainly because there are no absolute rulers around any more.
>
> There have been quite recently.
>
>> Only puppets moved by opinion polls, at the very best.
>
> Pol Pot didnt bother with those. Neither did Stalin, Mao, Hitler etc etc
> etc either.
>
>>>> It is much more difficult to get rid of a deeply entrenched and
>>>> effectively invisible oligopoly, that puts up dum-dee choices.
>
>>> Which is why the great democracys dont allow that sort of oligopoly.
>
>> How else do you think they function?
>
> The voters give the bums that fuck up badly enough the bums rush at the
> ballot box.

Makes no difference save something emotional maybe, when the newly elected
lot is equally bad or worse.

>> Naturally the top priority of any sensible oligarchy is to reassure the
>> public that their opinion actually matters, from time to time.
>
> There is no oligarchy.

If there is, they seem to have done very well, then, to be so invisible.

Anyway, the main point is, oligarchy or no oligarchy, what happens when
funny money generated electronically (and legally) is given to the proven
non-performers surely and safely. I take it that there is no fundamental
difference between the disastrous top execs paying themselves several
millions of dollars, and the enterprising counterfeiters of the Tughlaq era.
Both lots made lots of money for themselves, and contributed nothing good.

>>>>>> (who may or may not have become an absolute pain in the arse).
>
>

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 6:14 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Arindam Banerjee wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote

>>>>>>>>>>>>> India's experience with inflation had to do with Muhammad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bin Tughlaq in the 14th century. One of the most colourful
>>>>>>>>>>>>> characters in Indian history, he was a genius and also a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> madman, endowed with absolute power. He thought well ahead
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of his times, so he deemed a paper-type currency would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> help matters. However, there were no checks against
>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterfeit, so the whole economy got screwed.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any practical outcome-wise difference between
>>>>>>>>>>>>> electronic (magic, unearned) money generated by the govt.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and counterfeit produced through private enterprise?

>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the govt only continues while ever the voters allow that.

>>>>>>>>>>> Not much difference between a continuing govt. and an absolute monarch.

>>>>>>>>>> Massive difference, its a hell of a lot easier to get rid of a govt that doesnt deliver what the voters want.

>>>>>>>>> You can kill the absolute monarch.

>>>>>>>> Less consequences from giving the bum the bums rush at the ballot box.

>>>>>>> Change is immediate with bumping off the absolute monarch

>>>>>> Lot harder to do tho, particularly when the individual has enough of a clue to make it hard to do.

>>>>> Lots of absolute monarchs have been bumped off.

>>>> Yes, but its a lot easier for them to ensure that doesnt happen today.

>>> Mainly because there are no absolute rulers around any more.

>> There have been quite recently.

>>> Only puppets moved by opinion polls, at the very best.

>> Pol Pot didnt bother with those. Neither did Stalin, Mao, Hitler etc etc etc either.

>>>>> It is much more difficult to get rid of a deeply entrenched and
>>>>> effectively invisible oligopoly, that puts up dum-dee choices.

>>>> Which is why the great democracys dont allow that sort of oligopoly.

>>> How else do you think they function?

>> The voters give the bums that fuck up badly enough the bums rush at the ballot box.

> Makes no difference save something emotional maybe, when the newly elected lot is equally bad or worse.

Yes, but it never is. The great depression produced social security and medicare.

>>> Naturally the top priority of any sensible oligarchy is to reassure
>>> the public that their opinion actually matters, from time to time.

>> There is no oligarchy.

> If there is, they seem to have done very well, then, to be so invisible.

Indeed. And you can never make something like that invisible.

What we actually have in the great democracys is a system thats
designed to survive anything, and its done that very well indeed,
surviving civil war, world wars, full depressions, etc etc etc.

The only real problem is that in the case of the US its made it too hard
to get a decent universal health care system but clearly that was possible
in all the other great democracys and it will happen eventually in the US too.

> Anyway, the main point is, oligarchy or no oligarchy, what happens
> when funny money generated electronically (and legally) is given to
> the proven non-performers surely and safely.

We end up with just one great depression in a century or
better. There were lots of them in the century before 1929.

Its taken us a while to work out how to do that, and we still
havent worked out how to avoid bubbles and busts yet, but
we have made a lot of progress over say the century before.

> I take it that there is no fundamental difference between the disastrous top execs paying themselves several millions
> of dollars, and the enterprising counterfeiters of the Tughlaq era.

There is a massive difference, the voters get to decide what they want
done about stuff like that, just like they did with monopolys and slavery etc.

> Both lots made lots of money for themselves, and contributed nothing good.

Yes, arseholes like Sorous should be killed.

>>>>>>> (who may or may not have become an absolute pain in the arse).

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 6:58 pm
From: "Arindam Banerjee"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7otig6F3qnn7iU1@mid.individual.net...
> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> India's experience with inflation had to do with Muhammad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bin Tughlaq in the 14th century. One of the most colourful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> characters in Indian history, he was a genius and also a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> madman, endowed with absolute power. He thought well ahead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of his times, so he deemed a paper-type currency would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help matters. However, there were no checks against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterfeit, so the whole economy got screwed.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any practical outcome-wise difference between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electronic (magic, unearned) money generated by the govt.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and counterfeit produced through private enterprise?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the govt only continues while ever the voters allow that.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not much difference between a continuing govt. and an absolute
>>>>>>>>>>>> monarch.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Massive difference, its a hell of a lot easier to get rid of a
>>>>>>>>>>> govt that doesnt deliver what the voters want.
>
>>>>>>>>>> You can kill the absolute monarch.
>
>>>>>>>>> Less consequences from giving the bum the bums rush at the ballot
>>>>>>>>> box.
>
>>>>>>>> Change is immediate with bumping off the absolute monarch
>
>>>>>>> Lot harder to do tho, particularly when the individual has enough of
>>>>>>> a clue to make it hard to do.
>
>>>>>> Lots of absolute monarchs have been bumped off.
>
>>>>> Yes, but its a lot easier for them to ensure that doesnt happen today.
>
>>>> Mainly because there are no absolute rulers around any more.
>
>>> There have been quite recently.
>
>>>> Only puppets moved by opinion polls, at the very best.
>
>>> Pol Pot didnt bother with those. Neither did Stalin, Mao, Hitler etc etc
>>> etc either.
>
>>>>>> It is much more difficult to get rid of a deeply entrenched and
>>>>>> effectively invisible oligopoly, that puts up dum-dee choices.
>
>>>>> Which is why the great democracys dont allow that sort of oligopoly.
>
>>>> How else do you think they function?
>
>>> The voters give the bums that fuck up badly enough the bums rush at the
>>> ballot box.
>
>> Makes no difference save something emotional maybe, when the newly
>> elected lot is equally bad or worse.
>
> Yes, but it never is. The great depression produced social security and
> medicare.
>
>>>> Naturally the top priority of any sensible oligarchy is to reassure
>>>> the public that their opinion actually matters, from time to time.
>
>>> There is no oligarchy.
>
>> If there is, they seem to have done very well, then, to be so invisible.
>
> Indeed. And you can never make something like that invisible.
>
> What we actually have in the great democracys is a system thats
> designed to survive anything, and its done that very well indeed,
> surviving civil war, world wars, full depressions, etc etc etc.
>
> The only real problem is that in the case of the US its made it too hard
> to get a decent universal health care system but clearly that was possible
> in all the other great democracys and it will happen eventually in the US
> too.
>
>> Anyway, the main point is, oligarchy or no oligarchy, what happens
>> when funny money generated electronically (and legally) is given to
>> the proven non-performers surely and safely.
>
> We end up with just one great depression in a century or
> better. There were lots of them in the century before 1929.
>
> Its taken us a while to work out how to do that, and we still
> havent worked out how to avoid bubbles and busts yet, but
> we have made a lot of progress over say the century before.

Agreed.
>
>> I take it that there is no fundamental difference between the disastrous
>> top execs paying themselves several millions of dollars, and the
>> enterprising counterfeiters of the Tughlaq era.
>
> There is a massive difference, the voters get to decide what they want
> done about stuff like that, just like they did with monopolys and slavery
> etc.
>
>> Both lots made lots of money for themselves, and contributed nothing
>> good.
>
> Yes, arseholes like Sorous should be killed.
>
>>>>>>>> (who may or may not have become an absolute pain in the arse).
>
>

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TOPIC: Ayodhya for Dummies
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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 4:48 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Commie Arindam, who now lives in Australia, was also denied entry into the US.
That is why he hates the US so much.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

In article <4b2920f4$0$5341$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> vir sanghvi has admitted openly that he is a commie. he was very indignant
> once at usa for rejecting his commie dad's visa in old cold war days.
>
>
> "Mirza Ghalib" <mghalib01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:15632d27-c77d-4a0e-bef4-ceb123e3ba5d@e4g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> Also read a hilarious rebuttal, lampooning Sanghvi, "Vir Sanghvi for
> Dummies"
> at the following URL
>
> http://www.sandeepweb.com/2009/12/08/december-8-vir-sanghvi-for-dummies/
>
> By the way, this Sanghvi character is a follower of the Irfan Habib
> line,
> in an attempt to pin the blame for the demolition of temples to
> Buddhists,
> in effect, creating a whole new line of historical distortion, namely,
> Hindu Buddhist riots and assorted conflicts!
> ====================================================
> AYODHYA FOR DUMMIES
>
> By Vir Sanghvi, Hindustan Times Dec 6
>
> You would have thought that the fuss over the Liberhan Report would
> have died down by now. And in many ways, it has. The newspapers
> certainly appear to have moved on.
>
> But each day, when I look at the questions that readers send me on my
> website or when I talk to young people, I recognise how the report has
> brought the Ayodhya issue back to our consciousness. But many younger
> readers seem mystified by the fuss and annoyed by the refusal of
> journos to tell them what it was all about.
>
> So here are my replies to the questions I am frequently asked on this
> subject.
>
> 1. Was there a Hindu temple on this site? And was it destroyed to
> build a mosque?
>
> Ans. We don't know. Archaeologists are divided on the issue and sadly,
> these divisions often reflect ideological biases. What we can say for
> certain is this: nobody can absolutely rule out the possibility of a
> temple having existed here at some stage.
>
> 2. Did Muslim invaders destroy Hindu temples?
>
> Ans. The sad answer is yes, they did. Some of this was for the
> purposes of looting (temples were rich) but some of the destruction
> was religion-driven.
>
> 3. Wasn't this terrible?
>
> Ans. Yes it was. There is no getting around that. Religious tolerance
> was not always a quality prized by medieval Muslim warriors.
>
> But let's keep in mind that those were different times. There was an
> era when Hinduism had been eclipsed in much of India by Buddhism. When
> Hinduism made a comeback some centuries later, Hindu kings destroyed
> Buddhist monasteries, more or less throwing Buddhism out of India.
>
> So nobody's hands are entirely clean in these matters.
>
> 4. Shouldn't we rebuild all the temples that were destroyed?
>
> Ans. Why? What purpose would it serve? Would it make Hinduism a better
> religion if we did that? Should Hindus also offer to rebuild all the
> Buddhist monasteries that were destroyed?
> Nothing is really achieved by going back in history to set right
> wrongs that were committed centuries ago. And the costs of such an
> exercise can be terrible for present day society.
>
> 5. Then why create such a fuss over the Babri Masjid?
>
> Ans. Well, because some Hindus claim that it was not just any old
> site. They claim that a temple that marked the birthplace of Ram had
> stood there.
> Thus, this was a spot of great religious significance to Hindus. After
> all, a great Hindu God had been born on this piece of land.
>
> 6. Was this true?
>
> Ans. Probably not. There are many controversies about the historical
> Ram, his very existence and the location of his Ayodhya. Some
> historians and archaeologists dispute that today's Ayodhya is the same
> as the Ayodhya of the Ramayana.
>
> Moreover, several other spots have also been claimed as birthplaces of
> Ram. So it is not clear that this one has any special claim. It is
> just one of many.
>
> Besides, the overwhelming majority of Hindus had never heard of this
> spot till the controversy began. So if Ram was born here thousands of
> years ago, why did most of us only hear of the place in the mid-80s?
>
> 7. Didn't LK Advani know all this?
>
> Ans. Yes, he did. His view was that archaeology and history did not
> matter. If Hindus believed that this was the birthplace of Ram, then
> that was all that mattered. It was a question of faith.
>
> But as we have seen, Hindus did not actually believe any of this till
> Advani told them so.
> 8. What did Advani want?
>
> Ans. Actually, none of this was Advani's or the BJP's idea. Under
> Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the BJP was busy pursuing a moderate agenda. The
> Ayodhya agitation was the Vishwa Hindu Parishad's movement. It was
> only when it seemed to be gathering steam in Uttar Pradesh that Advani
> hijacked the movement and turned it into a BJP campaign (thereby,
> hijacking the BJP from Vajpayee as well).
>
> Having said that, Advani's demands were not outlandish or hysterical
> and that's despite how shameful his methods were. He wanted the masjid
> moved, brick by brick, to a nearby location so that a temple could
> come up on the so-called Ram Janmabhoomi site. He argued that mosques
> were moved all the time in Pakistan, when roads had to be constructed.
> So there were precedents.
>
> Besides, he said, this was not a functioning mosque. A dispute had
> prevented namaaz from being said there for decades. As the spot had no
> special significance for Muslims, wouldn't they be better off with a
> functioning mosque a short distance away? Hindus would be forever
> grateful to them for being so accommodating.
>
> 9. This sounds quite reasonable.
>
> Ans. Well, yes and no. Many Muslims saw this as the beginning of a
> process whereby many mosques would be shifted around in the name of
> avenging ancient wrongs. The VHP spoke of Kashi and Mathura being
> next. More demands were on the way.
> Muslim leaders decided to hold firm on this one.
>
> 10. Were they right to do so?
>
> Ans. That's a matter of opinion. My own view is that the Ayodhya
> movement was a farce designed to win votes for a declining BJP by
> focusing on a Ram Janmabhoomi which few of us had ever heard of.
>
> On the other hand, a massive Hindu backlash, fed by the intransigence
> and stupidity of Muslim leaders over such issues as Shah Bano and the
> Satanic Verses, was building up. Indian secularism was being derided
> as a way of appeasing Muslims.
> Given this background, I think Indian secularism would have gained if
> Muslim leaders had been more flexible.
>
> 11. Why is everybody so critical of Justice Liberhan?
>
> Ans. Because the guy took 17 years and over Rs 8 crore to tell us
> nothing new. Entire sections of the report seem to have been dictated
> from beyond the grave by Narasimha Rao.
> 12. If Ayodhya was such a big deal, why did the issue die down?
>
> Ans. Ayodhya was a symbol of two things: a growing anger among Hindus
> who felt that Muslims were being pampered by the state and Advani's
> vaulting ambition.
> When the BJP came to power, both factors vanished. Hindus could no
> longer claim that Muslims were being favoured. And Advani got the
> power he so desperately craved.
> End of movement. And, goodbye Lord Ram. The BJP did not need him any
> longer.
>
> (The views expressed by the author are personal.)
>
>

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 6:56 pm
From: "Arindam Banerjee"

<usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20091216DedJEZm8T4lEWOz48d5p66W@T1e0V...
> Commie Arindam, who now lives in Australia, was also denied entry into the
> US.

When? I visited the US only once, in 1987. My entire trip was sponsored
and paid for in full by my most loving public sector company, Bharat
Electronics. And why not, for in their great wisdom they knew that my paper
on Partial Match Retrieval that I read out in the International
Supercomputing Conference would change the world. Search engines rule the
planet.

It is true that I now live in Australia, but I was never denied entry into
the US because I never once applied for entry into the US after 1987.

As is well-known, this jBm (jai Bundurr maharaj, bundurr means monkey) is a
famous liar. Though I suspect that another creature has taken on the mantle
of the former and original villain of this name.

> That is why he hates the US so much.

I want them to become a lot better, and not make mistakes. That is love,
not hate. But what can a professional conman and fraud like jBm
understand - save how to lie, cheat and abuse?

> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti

Om shanti indeed, this jBm fraud has a sense of humour.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

Check out the HTN on
www.adda-enterprises.com/htnwebsite/home.htm

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 7:01 pm
From: Jim

On Dec 16, 6:48 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:

> Commie Arindam, who now lives in Australia, was also denied entry into the US.

I think he's been to the U.S. Why would he be denied entry?
I don't care for his physics, but being unconventional isn't
grounds for being denied entry. This nation was built
by upstarts who were dissatisfied with the status quo
at home, as is well known.

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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 8:44 pm
From: Jim

In the United States, the TCM channel is televising four
great Humphrey Bogart films in tandem:

"Maltese Falcon"
"Casablanca" (which is on now)
"Treasure of the Sierra Madre"
"The African Queen"

"Casablanca" is so iconic that practically every dialog
has a one-liner which has become famous although
one "famous" one-liner, "Play it again, Sam"
is never actually said by anyone. I think Woody
Allen is the source of the misquotation.

I am at p.150 in the 700-page biography
_Oskar Schindler: The Untold Account of His
Life, Wartime Activities, and the True Story
Behind 'The List'_ by David Crowe published
in 2004.

We have established, true to the film with
his name, that Oskar Schindler arrives in Krakow
as an opportunistic womanizing Nazi party
member. However, Thomas Keneally
and Steven Spielberg's alterations of
facts, seemingly committed for simplification
of story line, are disturbing. I had
read _Schindler's Ark_ in the early
1980s when it was still in its original edition,
and even knew of Leopold Page's
luggage shop in Beverly Hills. (Leopold
Page was the adopted name of
Poldek Pfefferberg who ran errands
for Schindler in the story.) I knew it
was a novel "based on fact", whatever
that means and while on one hand
it is easy to condemn Keneally for
falsifications that for instance, feed
a Holocaust denier like Hal Womack
who has enough personal problems,
it is a fact that Oskar Schindler arrived
in Krakow an amoral money-grubber and left a
living saint. That part was not invented.
And yet his amazing story probably would
never be so widely known in a purely historic
account. This book is that account.

I'll have more to say about it when
I've finished, probably early next week.

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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 11:36 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

ARINDAM BANERJEE EXPOSED

A previous post:

In article <VVise.24336$oK.1183@okepread02>,
"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
>>> Arindam Banerjee.
>>
>> First self-cofessed communist and self-demonstrated liar
>> Arindam Banerjee calls me a CIA agent, now he mentions
>> incarceration! He certainly needs help -- and fast!

> you two began so nicely. why can't hindus get along?

I don't think that Hindus and communists can or should get along.
Arindam seems to be trying the Nigerian scam to raise money for his
father: spam people with e-mail requesting donations by saying
nice things about them, and then when people get wise to the scam
then try to condemn them ("Why haven't you wrtten to my father?";
"You must not be an Indian if you don't know about my father's
project"; "You must me a CIA agent"; "You are using a false
identity"; etc., etc.)

> where did arindam confess to being a commnist? he doesn't sound
> like one though. pls deny it arindam.

I wrote:

> I have detected a hint of communist leanings in what
> you write as well. So that's the tree where the
> fruit comes from. - Jai Maharaj

Arindam Banerjee followed-up with:

> More than that, actually. I was raised in a commune
> in India, when I was seven. So, my basic outlook is communistic. . ."

Here is his entire post:

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Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> In article <1118793532.573303.37...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >
> >
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> >> In article <1118790435.398957.298...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> >>>> In article <1118665553.201366.305...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>> "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com> posted:
> >>>>> [...]
> >>>>> I have no knowledge of astrology. I am sure it must be a very deep
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> involved subject, and I take your word for it. However, if you claim
> >>>>> astrology is scientific, what I can say is that 1. you perhaps do not
> >>>>> need to claim it is scientific, for it may be beyond the scope of
> >>>>> science as understood and 2. if you persist in claiming it to be
> >>>>> scientific, you must show exactly what it explains satisfactorily.
> >>>>
> >>>> Did you have an opportunity to read the article "Solar
> >>>> Magnetism Integrates Astronomy and Astrology" that I posted?
> >>>> Here it is again for your and others' convenience:
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I read it, but I still do not understand what it tries to explain,
> >>> and how it does that satisfactorily and reliably and repeatably.
> >>
> >> Astrophysicist Dr. Seymour's book has more in it than the
> >> article about it. Of course the "how" is less important,
> >> or not important at all to those routinely benefit from
> >> scientific astrology.
> >>
> >>> Scientific methods are valued as they do all the three. Astrology is
> >>> too chancy.
> >>
> >> How did you arrive at that conclusion (". . . too chancy")?
> >
> > My wife's late aunt had a very good horoscope match with her husband.
> > Astrologers said that was a "rajjotok" meaning that it would be a
> > wonderful marriage. Unfortunately she became a widow in 28 days.
> > After that, they ceased to have faith in astrology.
>
> Sorry to hear that, but that's unscientific behavior. The
> astrologers are to blame for their error, not the
> science.

Excuses, excuses.

> Tell me, if a bridge fails or a building falls
> prematurely, do you blame the engineers and workers or
> civil engineering?

Normally I would suspect the adulterators in top management.

> When a car stalls due to mechanical
> failure, do you blame automobile engineering?

Oh yes. If we had proper automobile engineering, there would be no
stalling. The cars would have good design inbuilt, to prevent this
from happening. This is what Quality of Service is all about.

> When a
> surgeon errs, do you blame the surgeon or medical
> science?

Often, both. The surgeon could be careless, or the medical science
could be imperfect. Like, what surgeon was responsible for thalidomide
babies?

> > In my case, my father had strong leftwing leanings in his youth, and
> > did not make any horoscope for me.
>
> I have detected a hint of communist leanings in what
> you write as well. So that's the tree where the
> fruit comes from.

More than that, actually. I was raised in a commune in India, when I
was seven. So, my basic outlook is communistic in the best possible
way. My father was the executive manager of the commune of Soviet
experts who were giving us high technology in manufacturing - something
the capitalists from the West would never even think of doing. But, at
the same time I went to a Catholic school, played with tribal boys and
Hindi speaking boys, and had a proper Bengali upbringing at home.

If we are talking about hints, I would bet you are a CIA agent
pretending to be a Hindu. (Otherwise you would not have been so dumb
about Bharat Sevashram, and totally failed to contact me or my father,
even after you said you would.) Not that I have anything against CIA
agents, of course.

> > In a computer program I typed in my date and place of birth, and the
> > program said that I would be a lawyer. Whatever I am, I am not a
> > lawyer.
>
> There's no astrology software that can spit out
> predictions or interpretations of any useful value.
> Computer programs go only as far as performing
> calculation at blazing speed. The use of inappropriate
> tools and anecdotal evidence about errors made by
> astrologers explains your poor opinion of astrology.

But I do not have a poor opinion of astrology. Astrology gives hope,
purpose, motivation, insight, self-realisation, resignation... these
are all very valuable to the human race, for these keep us going on and
on and not suicide.

> >>> I see it as a source of hope and purpose. What science
> >>> there is, is based upon statistics.
> >>
> > > Why do you say that (" . . . based upon statistics")?
> >
> > That was evident from the article you yourself posted. It said that the
> > movement of stars etc. was related to human and worldly events. This
> > is a statistical correlative process.
>
> How is it statistical? The observation and cataloguing
> of observations of linkage is simply the creation of
> lists.

That proves it. There are no foundational formulas in astrology, as we
have in engineering. So you have a correlative process instead. Which
could be very good, no doubt, but by no means exact. Only indicative
and tentative, at best.

> >>> Like, you have these rashis, and you can tell a person's
> >>> characteristics from the rashi. I am happy to say that within
> >> > my family at least the rashis give some clue as to personality.
> >>> Like, I am more Piscean than anything else, and so on.
> >>
> >> A Rashi is only the 1/12th division of the sidereal
> >> zodiac, and results based only on the Rashi are quite
> >> approximate and general. They are merely in the parking
> >> lot of the ballpark. There are much finer divisions, and
> >> numerous other factors that are examined for a person or
> >> event by the scientific astrologer.
> >>
> >>> But statistics only gives clues; it is not hard as a prediction
> >>> science.
> >>
> >> Scientific astrology, not statistics, is an accurate prediction
> >> science. There are a few of my published predictions listed
> >> at my web site: http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
> >
> > If all predictions came true, astrology would not have any one to knock
> > it.
>
> They came true.

How many came untrue? If you make 100 predictions, one may come right.
You may uptalk the one true prediction, and forget the 99 that did not
happen.

If out of 100 predictions made even 30 came right, astrology would be a
tool for prediction.

> They were published before the events
> took place. Now what's your problem? It is entertainment
> astrology that gets criticized, not scientific astrology.

I never heard of it. Do you have journals?

> As do errors by practitioners, which is the case in every
> science and art. All my predictions have come true --
> they were posted here on USENET.

Why not do some predicting *now* and then we all can judge? I really
cannot know what you predicted when, so any past information is not on.

> Where is the praise of
> astrology from you?

I praise what I deem worthy of praise. I never said I studied
astrology. I most certainly am going by incomplete knowledge about
this subject. If you want me to have faith or interest in it, make
some predictions and then we will see what happens.

> Aren't you biased?

Certainly I am biased. I try to form my biases upon all known and
undeniable facts, and invincible logic.

> Haven't you a
> premeditated agenda of criticizing scientific astrology
> without regard to the facts?

I did not start the topic of scientific astrology, as I never heard of
it before this.

> But I can understand that
> you have a preconceived notion from what you have
> written.

By and large it is irrelevant to me, though I do value people with
psychic insight. They help a lot. And that is different from
astrology.

> >>> Unlike my own methods, which involve mathematical modelling
> >>> and computer simulation, for predicting changes made to complex systems
> >>> involving queuing.
> >>>
> >>> On the whole, this looks like mumbo-jumbo, especially when the quantum
> >>> stuff is dragged in, for increased respectability in certain scientific
> >>> circles, no doubt. Some valid Hindu perspectives are also dragged in.
> >>>
> >>> See, Jai, in India astrology is a practical issue. Marriages are often
> >>> performed on this basis. This is very useful. If the bride or groom
> >>> has to be rejected, then this is a very good pretext - can be done
> >>> without hurting feelings and creating feuds.
> >>
> >> Anything can be used as a pretext, but that's a different issue.
> >
> > Not really. I think the practical aspects of astrology is not
> > emphasised enough. There is no need to claim it is a science.
>
> There is a need to tell the truth.

Absolutely.

> Hence I say that
> astrology is a science.

You can say whatever you like. But getting other people to agree to
what you say is quite a different task. Don't I know it!

> Why do you want me to lie to
> uphold your false notion of scientific astrology?

I do not want you or anyone else to lie. I want you and everyone else
to make his points clearly and logically. If you really hold that
astrology is scientific, you have got to prove it. Two scientists
doing the same experiment under the same conditions carefully always
get the same results. If astrology is scientific, the observations of
all astrologers should give the same result. Not one being right
today, another one right the next day, and so on. So, all astrologers
should make the same prediction, if astrology is to be a science and
not some art.

> > If it is a science, you need to perform experiments in controlled
> > conditions, and see whether they repeat according to any given
> > predicted pattern.
>
> Is the world as a whole "controlled" enough for you?

Human beings still have some ability for choices left to them.

> And
> astrologers such as myself have repeat clients throughout
> the world who benefit from the science repeatedly -- have
> for decades.

This is not convincing as a proof for the scientific nature of
astrology. Business records are no substitute for lab records, if we
are talking science.

> Why would I or they need the stamp of
> approval of someone who has not even studied astrology
> and displays an agenda of knocking down astrology?

But I do not knock down astrology. It has so many uses, as I wrote
above. I have no use for frauds, that is all. In any case, I was
simply answering your question as well as I can, and I do not see why
you need to be so shirty. If you are so sure of yourself, you should
feel more secure.

> You
> have posted many anti-astrology posts over the years.

Seems like, you are confusing me with some other people. As I wrote
earlier, I have not much interest or knowledge of astrology. To the
best of my knowledge, I have not posted any anti-astrology post. In
fact, I expressed my horror when you wrote that astrologers were
massacred in California.

> In
> all that time, you could have studied the subject. You
> see, publishing conclusions about something without
> studying it is unscientific.

But I was only answering your question, from my experience. Please do
not think that I am out to please you. My dear Goddess is Ma Kali, the
Goddess of Truth; and so, I can not lie knowingly.

> >> I wonder if you are mistaking what I have termed "entertainment
> >> astrology" for scientific astrology. The former is the kind
> >> found in newspaper horoscope columns and web sites and is very
> >> popular for psychological reasons. Scientific astrology, on the
> >> other hand is usually practised on a consulting basis and is
> >> quite time consuming even when computer programs are used to
> >> perform the calculations.
> >
> > Ah, my brother-in-law claims to have studied astrology, and says that
> > it has a mathematical basis. Results are given upon inspired
> > conjectures. So, we have maths plus conjecture, in the predictions.
> > This is not scientific.
>
> Where did he study astrology? Who were his teachers?
> What texts were studied? What practical exercises were
> undertaken? What was the duration of the study? How many
> years did the apprenticeship under a professional astrologer
> last?

I really do not know. All I can say is that he studied this subject
and came to certain conclusions. If you want to have any email contact
with him, I would be happy to give you his email after getting his
permission to do so.

> Frankly, his remark indicates that he did not study
> astrology beyond a chapter or book or two. He may have been
> merely curious about the science, which is to be expected
> because of the immense success of scientific astrology through
> the centuries.
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti

Success must be proved, and not merely claimed. Prove its worth,
beyond any doubt, and the world will have to believe. Or at least, the
scientific-minded world. So make 10 predictions in this thread, and
let us see how many come true.

End of Copy

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 11:40 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Arindam Banerjee, a fraud and the Shame of IIT

Forwarded message:
[
[ From: Richard Herring (junk@[127.0.0.1])
[ Subject: Re: Really Cold Fusion
[ Newsgroups: sci.physics
[ Date: 2005-05-13 02:02:37 PST
[
[
[ In message <1115941772.198114.64...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
[ Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com> writes
[ >
[ > If the second law of thermodynamics is true,
[ > that is, things cooled with passing of time,
[
[ "That is" is not. You would need to find out what the second law really
[ says before you are in any position to disprove it.
[
[ --
[ Richard Herring
[
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Arindam Banerjee is a fraud, obviously.

> Arindam Banerjee "a blowhard fraud"
>
> -From: Arjun Ray <a...@nmds.com.invalid>
> -Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.culture.bengali,soc.culture.indian
> -Subject: Re: The Widowmaker, Re: Grisly
> -Date: 9 Jan 2003 01:16:15 -0600
>
> In <890e65ea.0301082253.1adae...@posting.google.com>,
> adda1...@bigpond.com (Arindam Banerjee) wrote:
> |
> | Arjun Ray <a...@nmds.com.invalid> wrote in message
> | news:<o89p1vchi9u07t5ijv85oe288bd6476bv5@4ax.com>...
> |> In <890e65ea.0301081419.551c1...@posting.google.com>,
> |> adda1...@bigpond.com (Arindam Banerjee) wrote:
> |>| Arjun Ray <a...@nmds.com.invalid> wrote in message
> |>| news:<c27n1v0rq69brnjttt2b7550r9j9fshj5b@4ax.com>...
>
> |>|> Care to give a sample from these first 100 odd?
> |>|
> |>| As a general rule I do not care to repost my work on Internet.
>
> It's pretty clear that there is no such "work".
>
> |>| If you are really interested, [...]
>
> About the only thing interesting now is exactly how much
> of a blowhard fraud you are.
> [...]
> End of forwarded message
>
>
>> HOW ARINDAM BANERJEE DECEIVED THE IIT
>>
>> There's an attendance rule at the IITs, which
>> Arindam Banerjee obviously violated by his own
>> confession below. He likely also had his friends
>> act as a proxy for him during roll calls, sit for
>> him in exams and cheat the IIT in other ways:
>>
>> ". . . I tried to attend as few classes as I could;
>> mainly it was a matter of making friends with the really
>> great guys who let me photocopy their lecture notes, and
>> tell me which assessment was due when. Still, I had to
>> miss quite a few exams, when I had too much work
>> pressure, and that reflected upon my grades. Now I
>> wonder, how did I manage to do it all! My wife never
>> understood how I managed to pass and get my degree, for
>> she hardly ever saw me studying. But all's well that
>> ends well . . ."
>> - "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com>
>> on June 6, 2005 about his IIT degree.
>>
>> Jai Maharaj
>> http://www.mantra.com/jai
>> Om Shanti
>>
>>> Exposed - Arindam Banerjee's tactics of abuse
>>>
>>> Forwarded message
>>>
>>> [ Subject: Re: Fw: Astrology is a Science
>>> [ From: chriskrolc...@hotmail.com (Chris Krolczyk)
>>> [ Newsgroups: alt.astrology . . .
>>> [ Message-ID: <c743abb.0308251714.3afca...@posting.google.com>
>>> [ NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.99.13.253
>>> [ Date: 25 Aug 2003 18:14:14 -0700
>>>
>>> adda1...@bigpond.com (Arindam Banerjee)
>>> wrote in message
> <news:890e65ea.0308251356.359a21e9@posting.google.com>...
>>>> chriskrolc...@hotmail.com (Chris Krolczyk) wrote in
>>>> message <news:c743abb.0308250629.4a293d89@posting.google.com>...
>>>>
>>>> Just my point, you worthless lot's capable only of giving abuse (and
>>>> that too, of a remarkably unoriginal quality) not reasoned argument.
>>>
>>> Oh, please. Pot, Kettle, Black. As in:
>>>
>>> <news:890e65ea.0201311313.71a6cc2b@posting.google.com>
>>>>
>>>>True. Use your head, read my book, and then try to sort it out. I
> believe
>>
>>>>that my main problem is that I am a brown Hindu, and that the modern
>>>>scientific establishment is composed of Eurocentric racists. Which is
> why,
>>
>>>>they are not even deigning to acknowledge the existence of my work.
>>>
>>> followed up by
>>>
>>> <news:890e65ea.0201311314.63a9c62@posting.google.com>
>>>>
>>>>My, what mumbo-jumbo! Makes less sense than any witch-doctor in
>>>>darkest Africa.
>>>
>>> or howzabout
>>>
>>> <890e65ea.0204112309.120ff...@posting.google.com>
>>>>
>>>>Why should I not? A Jew almost made it to Vice President, and they
>>>>run all the key positions in govt., finance, academic, media,
>>>>entertainment, publishing, etc., or allow their wannabes to do so. If
>>>>you run foul of a Jew in USA, you are labelled a Nazi, and you have no
>>>>chance at all for recognition or promotion, for then you become
>>>>morally responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews in WW2. This, by
>>>>the way, has just happened to me in an interchange in the newsgroup
>>>>rec.art.books. Some Jew named Zeleny called me a wog Nazi because he
>>>>did not appreciate some of my views relating to US foreign policies.
>>>>I was also described as a Nazi earlier when I said that Einstein could
>>>>be wrong so far as his theory of relativity was concerned.
>>>
>>> Nice change in tactics, Ari. First you accuse others of
>>> racism in a discussion in which you brought up the subject
>>> yourself. Then you post something quite racist yourself.
>>> Then, in an unrelated post, you post something incredibly
>>> antisemitic largely because you were feeling sorry for
>>> yourself and were honked off because they didn't like
>>> your "scientific theory" contradicting Einstein.
>>>
>>> And somehow you see fit to lecture others on
>>> "reasoned argument"? Don't make me laugh.
>>>
>>>> And as I said, you are a proven gutless scumbag,
>>>
>>> In your eyes, Ari. That's not much of a
>>> recommendation now, is it?
>>>
>>>> incapable of decency,
>>>
>>> "Decency"? Heh.
>>>
>>> -From <news:890e65ea.0204142212.57b736e9@posting.google.com>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your interest in me, and I appreciate being the object of
>>>>so much attention, though I wish a lot of money came from it. I am
>>>>most kindly disposed towards Jews - despite their negative attitude
>>>>towards me, but that is understandable, for if my theories are right,
>>>>their beloved Einstein will be shown wrong - and so I have suggested
>>>>that they all leave the Middle East and get for themselves a Zionist
>>>>state in Florida, where they should be much loved and respected by the
>>>>USAns who worship their one true god.
>>>
>>> Some "decency" there, huh?
>>>
>>> Matt Giwer would be proud.
>>>
>>>> content to make snide attacks from the safety of other newsgroups.
>>>
>>> Like you did to Michael Zeleny on soc.culture.india in the third
>>> post I referenced, eh?
>>>
>>> Physician, heal thyself.
>>>
>>>> Abuse is, thus, what you deserve.
>>>
>>> Self-abuse is, as proven, what you post.
>>>
>>> (Remainder of Ari's wankery deleted - why is it that kooks
>>> always gravitate to Einstein's dead ass like flies when
>>> everything else they rant about runs dry?)
>>>
>>> -Chris Krolczyk
>>>
>>> End of forwarded message
>>>
>>>
>>>> Forwarded message
>>>> [
>>>> [ Subject: What is this Junk?
>>>> [
>>>> [ Is this what they teach at IIT-Kharagpur? Not only is our
>>>> [ crazy scientist violating the First Law of Motion, he is
>>>> [ also casting doubt on the validity of the Law of
>>>> [ Conservation of Energy.
>>>> [
>>>> [ Perpetual Motion Machines? Our esteemed IIT guy has been
>>>> [ reading HG Wells and all kinds of science fiction books.
>>>> [ No friction? Has he never heard of the concept of matter?
>>>> [ That matter is composed of molecules.......
>>>> [
>>>> [ I bet that none of this is, or can be experimentally
>>>> [ proven!
>>>> [
>>>> [ It is certainly commendable to follow the far reaches of
>>>> [ one's imagination, but to confuse imagination with
>>>> [ reality? One can of course argue that reality is
>>>> [ imagination and imagination is reality. But I would
>>>> [ rather not get into a philosophical discussion.
>>>> [
>>>> [ Posted by Ramani on 04-JUN-03
>>>> [
>>>> End of forwarded message from: http://www.rediff.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Forwarded message
>>>>> [
>>>>> [ Subject: Perpetuum mobile
>>>>> [
>>>>> [ Another attempt to foil Conservation-of-energy
>>>>> [ principle ... this time by a Indian [Arindam Banerjee]
>>>>> [ and that too somebody from IIT. We should better check
>>>>> [ whether this guy really hails from IIT, bringing a bad
>>>>> [ name for India and IIT both.
>>>>> [
>>>>> [ Rediff should also check authenticity of these pseudo
>>>>> [ scientific results before publishing .. this is playing
>>>>> [ into the hands of cheap publicity gimmickers. I would
>>>>> [ advise rediff to refrain from these things ...
>>>>> [
>>>>> [ BTW, I would advise the readers to read the book
>>>>> [ "Voodoo Science" by Robert Park. Plz check details on
>>>>> [ Amazon.
>>>>> [
>>>>> [ Posted by niraj on 04-JUN-03
>>>>> [
>>>>> End of forwarded message from: http://www.rediff.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> How 'Shame of IIT' Arindam Banerjee tries to deceive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Newton's Second Law states that the change
>>>>>> in velocity (acceleration) with which an object
>>>>>> moves is directly proportional to the magnitude
>>>>>> of the force applied to the object and inversely
>>>>>> proportional to the mass of the object.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But "Shame of IIT" Arindam Banerjee tries to deceive
>>>>>> others by posting the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Copy begins
>>>>>> [
>>>>>> [ From: Arindam Banerjee <adda1...@bigpond.com>
>>>>>> [ Subject: Re: E=MCsquared is wrong
>>>>>> [ Newsgroups: alt.philosophy
>>>>>> [ Message-ID: <890e65ea.0301281239.5a872...@posting.google.com>
>>>>>> [ Date: 28 Jan 2003
>>>>>> [
>>>>>> [ . . . Newton's second law of motion says
>>>>>> [ that the rate of change of momentum of a body
>>>>>> [ is quantitatively equal to the external force
>>>>>> [ applied upon it.
>>>>>> [
>>>>>> Copy ends
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, "Shame of IIT" Arindam Banerjee tries to
>>>>>> deceive others by stating that "quantitatively equal" is
>>>>>> the same as "inversely proportional".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But wait, there's another possibility, even the
>>>>>> likelihood, that Banerjee does not understand physics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jai Maharaj
>>>>>> http://www.mantra.com/jai
>>>>>> Om Shanti

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TOPIC: ARINDAM BANERJEE SPREADS FALSEHOODS ABOUT BHARAT - "Abacus never
entered India"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.books/t/2a07692e0f48a84a?hl=en
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Date: Wed, Dec 16 2009 11:44 pm
From: usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

ARINDAM BANERJEE SPREADS FALSEHOODS

[ From: "Arindam Banerjee" <adda1...@bigpond.com>
[ Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
[ Subject: Re: Is Straydog blind????
[ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009
>
>
>> Did the abacus never show up in India?
>
> Very insightful point, Straydog. No as far as I know the
> abacus never entered India, so representing nd
> manipulating a number using the very not-abstract abacus
> method was never there. . . .

Arindam Banerjee continues to spread falsehoods about
Bharat. For crying out loud, I used to carry an abacus to
school in U.P. I had a portable version and also a larger
one for us at home. Please read also:

Excerpt:

"The Abacus, as used in China and Japan, bears, on the very
face of it, evidence of a foreign origin. The numbers are
set down on it with the larger denomination to the left, a
result which could come from a people either speaking and
writing inversely, or speaking and writing directly.
Historically, the home of the Abacus is in India..."

Transactions of the Asiatic Society of Japan; Vol. XIII. Part I; July 1885.
http://books.google.com/books?id=-qAMAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA5-PA44&dq=%22abacus+was+invented+in+india%22

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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